[mgoetze]

Our 2♣ opening is 12-16 with 6+ clubs or 5♣4M. If opponents overcall directly, what would you play? New suits NF at the 2-level and forcing at the 3-level, DBL for takeout, and 2NT invitational? How about over a takeout double?

Here's a hand (A): you have ♠Jxxx ♥Kxxx ♦QTxx ♣A, it goes 2♣-(2♥). Your call?

[mgoetze]

(B) You deal yourself ♠JTxx ♥Kx ♦A9 ♣AQJ9x and it goes 2♣-(X)-p-(2♥). Your call?

[mgoetze]

(C) You deal yourself ♠KTxx ♥QTx ♦K ♣AKJTx and it goes 2♣-(2♥)-X. Your call?

(D) You hold ♠KQJ9x ♥Txx ♦Axxx ♣Q. Partner deals and opens 2♣ and RHO rudely intervenes with 3♦. Your call? (Bonus question: if you choose 3♠ and partner bids 4♣, is it forcing?)

[wclass___]

I'm comfortable with
Pass
Pass
2♠
3♠

[the_clown]

1. Pass
2. I would have opened 1N. If I opened 2♣, I pass now
3.3♠
4.3♠. Yes it is forcing and I would bid 5♣ or 4♠ 50-50. 4♦ is best, if we have a CLEAR agreement that it is Choice of Games.

By the way, I like to play 2NT as Lebensol over 2M overcalls.

[antonylee]

1. pass
2. same as the_clown
3. 2.5♠ depending on the phase of the moon... probably 2♠
4. 3♠, 4♣ is forcing (don't try to get out of a misfit at the 4-level) and I'll probably bid 4♦ over that, there's little risk of going overboard.

[mgoetze]

Funny, I thought hand (A) was between double and 2NT.

[Zelandakh]

If you are going with the transfer option then you can keep the same structure as much as possible. So, after a 2♥ overcall, double can be 4+ spades and so on. If you did that then you get: A) X (4+ spades); B) Pass; C) 3♠ (max with 4 spades); D1) 3♠ (natural, system off); D2) yes, forcing. Of course you could also choose to defend on Hand A - that's more of a judgement call than system though. I think 2NT should tend to deny 4 spades here, unless you decide to play it as artificial anyway.

[benlessard]

NFB and lebensohl, if we follow our agreements it should look like;

2C-(2D)-??

X = show cards at least 2D
2M = NF
2NT = INV or GF with clubs
3C = to compete
3D = H inv or better
3H = S inv or better
3S = please bid 3NT
3NT half a stop

Using 2Nt might wrongside a possible 3Nt, but im rightsiding many other contracts.
------------------------------
2C-(2H)--??

X = show cards at least 2H
2S = NF
2Nt = to drop in 3m or GF club raise.
3C = Diamonds INV or better
3D = stayman.. neg X
3H = S inv or better
3S = please bid 3Nt
3NT half a stop.

Its annoying but we dont have all club raise.

2C--(2S)--??
X = cards at least 2S
2NT to drop somewhere or GF club raise
3C = D inv or better
3D = H inv or better
3H = stayman
3S= please bid 3NT
3NT half a stop.
----------------------------------------
2C--(X)---???

XX = diamonds
2D = H
2H = S
2S = inv values bal or with some clubs

not too sure about 3 level bids however but they should be transfers INV or better (great suits).

Pass and X show close to 10 pts.
pass and bid is takeout

[mgoetze]

benlessard, on 2012-April-25, 10:25, said:

NFB and lebensohl

Thanks, but I wouldn't call what you posted Lebensohl, looks more like Transfer Lebensohl or Rubensohl.

[straube]

benlessard, on 2012-April-25, 10:25, said:

NFB and lebensohl, if we follow our agreements it should look like;

2C-(2D)-??

X = show cards at least 2D
2M = NF
2NT = INV or GF with clubs
3C = to compete
3D = H inv or better
3H = S inv or better
3S = please bid 3NT
3NT half a stop

Using 2Nt might wrongside a possible 3Nt, but im rightsiding many other contracts.
------------------------------
2C-(2H)--??

X = show cards at least 2H
2S = NF
2Nt = to drop in 3m or GF club raise.
3C = Diamonds INV or better

3D = stayman.. neg X
3H = S inv or better
3S = please bid 3Nt
3NT half a stop.

Its annoying but we dont have all club raise.

2C--(2S)--??
X = cards at least 2S
2NT to drop somewhere or GF club raise

3C = D inv or better
3D = H inv or better
3H = stayman
3S= please bid 3NT
3NT half a stop.
----------------------------------------
2C--(X)---???

XX = diamonds





2D = H
2H = S
2S = inv values bal or with some clubs

not too sure about 3 level bids however but they should be transfers INV or better (great suits).

Pass and X show close to 10 pts.
pass and bid is takeout

We use something very similar to this. The 2M is nf and 2N is a puppet, 3m is constructive and dbl is invitational+ without a great fit for partner's minor. I think all of this is strong. By giving up penalty doubles we free up 2N and get to handle awkward hands of GI+ strength.


We don't use 3-level transfers, opting instead for fit showing bids. We also use 2N to compete in a lower ranking suit and GF with six in a higher ranking suit. I think either approach is fine.

[PrecisionL]

Our Precision-like 2♣ opening denies a biddable 4-cd major.

We use conditional transfers to show a good 5-cd or better major. Opener accepts with 2+ cards in the major, otherwise rebids 3♣ with minimum and 2NT with maximum. This works well for us.


Responder passes the example hand, no problem.

[mgoetze]

PrecisionL, on 2012-April-28, 17:25, said:

Our Precision-like 2♣ opening denies a biddable 4-cd major.

That's nice but you're in the wrong thread. Perhaps look for one of the threads straube started?