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1) What is your action over 1♥?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:05
Playing a 12 board team match (IMPs converted to VPs), you pick up this hand, no one vul.
1) What is your action over 1♥?
2) What is your plan?
1) What is your action over 1♥?
2) What is your plan?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:21
I think my choices are pass or 1NT. Since I don't have a ♦ stop, and my black-suit length isn't exactly good I think I'm going to pass and hope they get too high.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:29
Quartic, on 2012-January-25, 08:21, said:
I think my choices are pass or 1NT. Since I don't have a ♦ stop, and my black-suit length isn't exactly good I think I'm going to pass and hope they get too high.
I agree about the two choices (I don't see double solving any problems), but I think I might choose 1N. A ♦ stop is less important than a ♥ stop in this auction, and I just think it will be too difficult to persuade partner I have this many values if I pass first. Of course, you could try asking LHO whether his partner's bid shows ♥s before you pass, to give partner an idea of the problem you are facing.....
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:33
Pass.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:52
Two Hearts. I like the 8 and primes.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:55
pass, I overcalled 2♠ with ♠KQJ109 over RHO's 1♠ in veldhoven, I stole their 8 card fit, me and my teammates both got -500 in 2♠X in different sides. I won' t overcall 5 cards again.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 09:22
Suppose you pass, and the auction continues:
(1) Option 1: (1♠) - P - (P) - ?
(2) Option 2: (1♠) - P - (2♦) - ?
What now?
(1) Option 1: (1♠) - P - (P) - ?
(2) Option 2: (1♠) - P - (2♦) - ?
What now?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 09:59
1) Double, pulling 2♣ to 2♥, and (hopefully) starting to come out of my duckblind.
2) 2♥.
I am a long way from game, in spite of the magical ♥8.
2) 2♥.
I am a long way from game, in spite of the magical ♥8.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 10:26
I would pass in the OP scenario. While I use 2♥ as natural, to me 2♥ shows more or less a weak 2♥ call with good texture in the suit. A good hand white v white might look like Jxx KQ109xx Axx x. At favourable, you can delete the diamond A, and having KQ108xx would be enough.
I think this usage is more effective and more common than the strength showing alternative.
In any event, having passed originally, I would adopt Phil's approach thereafter
I think this usage is more effective and more common than the strength showing alternative.
In any event, having passed originally, I would adopt Phil's approach thereafter
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Posted 2012-January-25, 19:25
1) 2♣. I'm not selling out to 1♠ and hopefully partner has some length there.
2) Double. If partner doesn't have a defensive trick in sight but has some ♣ length, hopefully they'll pull to 3♣.
2) Double. If partner doesn't have a defensive trick in sight but has some ♣ length, hopefully they'll pull to 3♣.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 21:26
mikeh, on 2012-January-25, 10:26, said:
I would pass in the OP scenario. While I use 2♥ as natural, to me 2♥ shows more or less a weak 2♥ call with good texture in the suit. A good hand white v white might look like Jxx KQ109xx Axx x. At favourable, you can delete the diamond A, and having KQ108xx would be enough.
I think this usage is more effective and more common than the strength showing alternative.
In any event, having passed originally, I would adopt Phil's approach thereafter
I think this usage is more effective and more common than the strength showing alternative.
In any event, having passed originally, I would adopt Phil's approach thereafter
You got an interesting suggestion there Mike. Not sure i will use it but it sounds good to me for now, i will think about it.
As for the OP, what Phil said.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 22:14
Statto, on 2012-January-25, 19:25, said:
1) 2♣. I'm not selling out to 1♠ and hopefully partner has some length there.
Bids like 2♣ just make my skin crawl. Instead of bidding your hand, you expect to be able to figure out the shapes around the table, and make the decision for the partnership.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 01:23
pass and double a further 1nt/2D/2H wich show a big hands with hearts or diamonds lenght. Only over 2S ill feel kind of stuck but ill pass.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 01:35
Fluffy, on 2012-January-25, 08:55, said:
pass, I overcalled 2♠ with ♠KQJ109 over RHO's 1♠ in veldhoven, I stole their 8 card fit, me and my teammates both got -500 in 2♠X in different sides. I won' t overcall 5 cards again.
I did that too.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 05:28
Seems like an easy pass: broke pard and no source of tricks. If something I might try 1NT if natural.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 15:50
MrAce, on 2012-January-25, 21:26, said:
You got an interesting suggestion there Mike. Not sure i will use it but it sounds good to me for now, i will think about it.
As for the OP, what Phil said.
As for the OP, what Phil said.
I used to be a little more conservative in this situation, but then I read a thread in the BW MSC, a number of years ago. I think it was Berk-Cohen doing the moderating and the meaning of this overcall came up....I am pretty sure that they said that Meckwell (and maybe rodwell commented, but I don't remember) used the hand to show a decent suit (KJ109xx springs to mind) and not much on the side. It seemed powerful to me...it hasn't arisen much but I don't recall any bad results from this approach, and several good ones. It is amazing how many good players/pairs haven't discussed how their bidding should go after this call against them.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 16:12
I would just bid 1N, I don't understand pass.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 18:28
Phil, on 2012-January-25, 09:59, said:
1) Double, pulling 2♣ to 2♥, and (hopefully) starting to come out of my duckblind.
2) 2♥.
2) 2♥.
I pass too and then totally agree withe the above. The x and pulling 2♣ to 2♥ should expose the psych that I hope is afoot.
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