Opening Bid
#2
Posted 2010-November-30, 21:45
1♦ WTP
#3
Posted 2010-November-30, 21:59
Otherwise if that's not available then I choose 1D. We "only" have 19 highs so once we get by this round we are in a perfect situation in describing our hand.
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#4
Posted 2010-November-30, 23:02
andy_h, on 2010-November-30, 21:59, said:
Otherwise if that's not available then I choose 1D. We "only" have 19 highs so once we get by this round we are in a perfect situation in describing our hand.
I think that playing this method you can probably just bid 3♦ then 4♥, right?
#5
Posted 2010-November-30, 23:04
l milne, on 2010-November-30, 21:45, said:
1♦ WTP
Well the problem, potentially, is that you probably won't get partner too enthused about slam with ♥Qxxx and out, on some shapes.
#6
Posted 2010-December-01, 01:35
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#7
Posted 2010-December-01, 01:37
#8
Posted 2010-December-01, 09:53
Siegmund, on 2010-December-01, 01:37, said:
I suppose if KFay wanted to offer a lousy option, he could have included 1♥, true.
I agree with 1♦, and I am not loving it at all, however, I've never made an exclusion call after 1x - 1y, so maybe its time for that. It is very difficult to catch up 1♦-1♠-2♥, but maybe I will be able to show the 5th heart at some point.
@AndyH 3♥ is an interesting idea, but with out spade void, I am very worried about some spade interference. I might be able to bid 4N later, but that is hardly a great description.
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#9
Posted 2010-December-01, 10:09
Siegmund, on 2010-December-01, 01:37, said:
I had a passing thought when I read this, but it's unprintable
#10
Posted 2010-December-01, 10:26
#11
Posted 2010-December-01, 10:29
Fluffy, on 2010-December-01, 10:26, said:
And if partner's heart length was the only important thing to consider, then we would agree.
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#12
Posted 2010-December-01, 10:44
Fluffy, on 2010-December-01, 10:26, said:
I suspect that you aren't even aware of the problem revealed by your choice of words....most experts don't think of bidding as primarily concerned with finding out what partner holds.
At least in the early stages of most auctions, the partnership is engaged in the exchange of information.
There are auctions in which one partner assumes captaincy very early on, but most auctions don't go like that.
Thus most experts would see this hand and think about how best to go about describing it to partner...and would very quickly realize that they can show a decent or better hand with 5 hearts and 6+ diamonds...by opening 1♦ and bidding and rebidding hearts.
They see this as more useful than concealing the 6th diamond in order to immediately find out how many hearts partner has.
We, who enjoy bidding as a dialogue, may never 'know' how many hearts partner has until we see dummy, but I assure you that we won't miss any 5-3 or 5-4 heart fits, unless it's right to do so (ie we have a better fit elsewhere).
To characterize the view of the overwhelming majority of experts (who open 1♦ with 5=6) as 'nonsense' is more than a trifle arrogant (and I know about arrogant postings )
#13
Posted 2010-December-01, 10:52
#14
Posted 2010-December-01, 12:14
By reversing into and rebidding hearts (if allowed), I'll be able to show my hand pretty well.
Over interference I'll be able to rebid 4/5♥.
Harald
#15
Posted 2010-December-01, 12:19
kfay, on 2010-November-30, 23:02, said:
I think that playing this method if you rebid 4♥ after, say 3♠, it is likely to be interpreted as a cue-bid in support of spades.
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#16
Posted 2010-December-01, 12:28
Phil, on 2010-December-01, 09:53, said:
I saw a player make an exclusion call with
♠Kxxxx
♥AKxxxx
♦xx
♣--
After 1♥ - 1♠
- but he did it by rebidding 5♦, and thereby got the club lead he wanted.
London UK
#17
Posted 2010-December-01, 12:34
I do think Kevin is asking about what one opens in more standard methods (note the intentional use of standard rather than natural). If we can use non-standard methods, I might say "1♣ WTP?" or "Forcing Pass WTP?".
To answer the original question, I think I would open 2♣, but I find it close.
#18
Posted 2010-December-01, 13:26
gordontd, on 2010-December-01, 12:28, said:
♠Kxxxx
♥AKxxxx
♦xx
♣--
After 1♥ - 1♠
- but he did it by rebidding 5♦, and thereby got the club lead he wanted.
Tip of the day: Do not psyche exclusion when you are missing the trump Ace
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#19
Posted 2010-December-01, 14:24
You can say as much nonsense as you want
he did not characterize the 1D opening as nonsense, but the stuff that some people posted in this thread?
Having said that, I think that 1H is a terrible call. I say that knowing full well that Fluffy plays internationally and I probably never will, but then, I never claimed that I am not arrogant.
- hrothgar
#20
Posted 2010-December-01, 17:57
Also, what would 1♦-1♠-3♥ be for most people?