Considerations on par
#1
Posted 2024-May-10, 14:13
Instead playing in tournament, I saw that playing the par often gives a bad result on the contrary opponents who do not achieve the par often have a good result
#2
Posted 2024-May-10, 14:31
#3
Posted 2024-May-10, 14:57
Never mind the auction (It'll never happen, but let's assume something like strong club - 1♥ showing spades; 2♥-3♥; 3♠-4♠?) How do you beat this contract?
There's only one way. Use the GIB button to see it if, after a few minutes, you can't spot it directly.
Now, anybody that finds this (or the same defence in 3♠ by W, leading to the par score of N/S -140) will be in front of the club's ethics committee next week.
The key is that "par" is the best result possible when all the cards are face up and everyone bids and plays perfectly, knowing the layout. That's not how bridge is played.
"Beating par" isn't something you should be trying to do. It is, as smerriman says, a nice first step to finding out what should happen at the table. But you have to then look at the hand and see if it's reasonable when you can't see all 52 cards.
#4
Posted 2024-May-11, 01:58
and if you have it, try to induce errors.
But again, droping the Doubleton Offside Queen without add. info is not the way to do it.
Par will quite often say slam makes, when the real / practical par is game (maybe with 1 or 2 overtricks).
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#5
Posted 2024-May-11, 04:50
And I analyze the hands I played.
Sometimes I play the par and I take a 38%. Times the opponents have the par at 3 nt, I realize 2 hearts. and I take a low percentage.
All this appears strange to me and makes me understand that even in bridge, the fortune component, linked to the resulting of the other tables, is not a little thing
#6
Posted 2024-May-11, 05:37
#7
Posted 2024-May-12, 10:29
P_Marlowe, on 2024-May-11, 01:58, said:
More relevant to "don't try to make par", frequently par is 3mx-1 for 100 beating 2M= for 110. Always doubling the opponents when they go past your makeable result is a recipe for failure, especially at IMP scoring; taking your "below par" 50, avoiding the times you guess wrong and give up 470... (but also read up on "the matchpoint double" when they're vulnerable)
#9
Posted 2024-May-20, 10:52
EDIT on a professional level course lol
I've played some public golf holes that were easy even for me on a good day
#10
Posted 2024-May-20, 13:21
But it by no means *is* a "reasonable professional result". Frequently (as in, 3-5 boards a session), it is either:
- "of course you'll double the partscore when they can set you" (even if it's 50 into 100 that is a near-zero swing, risking 110 into 470 if you're wrong. More reasonably, it's 200 that beats 140 if you go on, because of course you know *that's* happening);
- "nobody's going to get there, but it makes" slam
- the "7-level save" (esp. vul vs not) I mentioned above against the "nobody's going to get there, but it makes" slam (but scores very badly against the 680s that *actually* happen);
- hands like the one I posted above, where "it makes/goes down, but only on a line nobody will find in real life without help".
That last one, in particular, has a strong secondary point at matchpoints, with "but we beat par, why are we average?" even in situations where "line that needs help" is just the overtrick (and you're -420 with everyone else, looking at par -450).
As I said, it's a good first approximation. But in order to use it effectively, you have to be able to look at the hands to see how off that approximation would be single-dummy, and which way. Which is the warning we're trying to give the OP.
A good (but probably useless for the audience) analogy is the difference between an experienced carnival punter playing a new whack-a-mole like, and a speedrunner who has reverse engineered all the patterns. Sometimes skill will approximate knowledge; sometimes, it will be way off, even if it's the best "skillful" result.
#11
Posted 2024-May-20, 14:12
You could have done better to push them to an umakeable contract and then double
That to me sounds sub par
#12
Posted 2024-May-22, 18:01
If you don't beat par as N-S, you're either incredibly unlucky or your opponents have a wire.
If you do get par as N-S, I expect a round zero in a large field. Okay, some nutter will push them to 6♣, double, and give away the (DD) overtrick for -1190. So maybe a square zero.
We didn't have a large field, but the bottom scores N-S were one -500 in 5♠x-3, and two -420s in 5♣+1. I could see some getting -920 or -800, but expect -420 to be average minus.
But we beat Par! How unfair!
#13
Posted 2024-May-23, 04:12
More seriously, it looks to me as if EW have some chance of finding 6♣ even without being pushed.
Not that that will often happen or invalidates your point, of course.
#14
Posted 2024-May-23, 09:15
No idea what the other tables' were.
Just because I can see the merit in some conservative actions doesn't mean I am one :-).