[jillybean]

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MP, 2/1, 12-14NT

[Tramticket]

One club. No need to distort the weak no trump.

[Cyberyeti]

First seat 1♣, might be more inclined to open 1N in 3rd and pull a double to 2♣ or in 4th.

[mikeh]

I have a partner who liked opening our 11-13 1N with a 6 card minor. He’s a truly fine player but we agreed to disagree on this. Does it work sometimes? Yes. Does it fail sometimes? Yes

I don’t like it because partner won’t cater to it and may be misled in the bidding or the defence. He likes it because it’s preemptive whereas 1C is anti-preemptive. It can provide an edge in declarer play if the opps misread their partner’s shape. And so on, back and forth.

So I say 1C but know some fine players who think 1N is at least as good or better.

[jillybean]

1C (1S) 2H (P)
?

(On phone, can't do hand diagram)

[thepossum]

1 club - although occasionally 1NT or even pass depending on mood

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2023-March-10, 01:51, said:

1C (1S) 2H (P)
?

(On phone, can't do hand diagram)

Presuming this is nat F I bid 3♣

[AL78]

jillybean, on 2023-March-10, 01:51, said:

1C (1S) 2H (P)
?

(On phone, can't do hand diagram)

If 2♥ is forcing rather than disturbed bids are weak then I bid 3♣. If partner forces me to bid, I make a bid compatible with my hand and it goes badly wrong, it is partner's fault.

[DavidKok]

mikeh, on 2023-March-10, 01:39, said:

I have a partner who liked opening our 11-13 1N with a 6 card minor. He’s a truly fine player but we agreed to disagree on this. Does it work sometimes? Yes. Does it fail sometimes? Yes

I don’t like it because partner won’t cater to it and may be misled in the bidding or the defence. He likes it because it’s preemptive whereas 1C is anti-preemptive. It can provide an edge in declarer play if the opps misread their partner’s shape. And so on, back and forth.

So I say 1C but know some fine players who think 1N is at least as good or better.

I think this is a great summary. I slightly prefer 1NT, but have no idea whether it's better in the long run.

1♣-(1♠)-2♥-(P); 3♣.

[mycroft]

I will frequently bid 1NT with a 6 card minor (for the reasons MikeH's partner mentions), but not always, and ♥xx seems to be a poor sign - especially with (strangely enough) bad clubs. AJTxxx plays one-loser with a card opposite; Kxxxxx (even KT9xxx) is likely to only score long tricks as trumps.

But our rule - not a standard K/S rule, to my knowledge, but it's what we play - is "if you've opened an overstrength preempt 1m, rebid it at your first opportunity if it's sane to do so." Frankly, because otherwise we assume a strong NT as responder. We are willing to push safety a little bit to avoid -530s, so in the following auction, 3♣.

[jillybean]

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[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2023-March-10, 12:21, said:

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The 2020 referendum found 48% in favour of legalisation IIRC?

[smerriman]

I suspect the error was somewhere between the 4♣ bid and the leap to 5♦ response

[pescetom]

smerriman, on 2023-March-10, 13:28, said:

I suspect the error was somewhere between the 4♣ bid and the leap to 5♦ response

You're more enthusiastic about the (unalerted) 3♠ bid than I am, then.

[jillybean]

pescetom, on 2023-March-11, 13:53, said:

You're more enthusiastic about the (unalerted) 3♠ bid than I am, then.

In which universe are cue bids alerted?

No jump, 5♦ typo of course

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[bluenikki]

mycroft, on 2023-March-10, 08:46, said:

I will frequently bid 1NT with a 6 card minor (for the reasons MikeH's partner mentions), but not always, and ♥xx seems to be a poor sign - especially with (strangely enough) bad clubs. AJTxxx plays one-loser with a card opposite; Kxxxxx (even KT9xxx) is likely to only score long tricks as trumps.

But our rule - not a standard K/S rule, to my knowledge, but it's what we play - is "if you've opened an overstrength preempt 1m, rebid it at your first opportunity if it's sane to do so." Frankly, because otherwise we assume a strong NT as responder. We are willing to push safety a little bit to avoid -530s, so in the following auction, 3♣.

In KS, why not play that double shows strong NT? Pass shows minimum with bad long suit.

[DavidKok]

jillybean, on 2023-March-11, 14:06, said:

No jump, 5♦ typo of course

Then the mistake was the other jump, the one right after
I think the slam bidding of many players will improve if you agree to never jump.

[smerriman]

The mistake seems to be using 4♣ as keycard, but you already know that based on your other topics about 4♣. North needs a way to say 'clubs are trumps, let investigate slam'; if the only way you can do that is to ask for keycards, then you'll just have to accept you'll never be able to bid a club slam properly - just guess and hope.

South has two keycards too, not 1/4, but I'm guessing that was either another typo or due to the weird 4♣ definition again, and isn't really relevant to the mistake.

[jillybean]

DavidKok, on 2023-March-11, 14:16, said:

Then the mistake was the other jump, the one right after
I think the slam bidding of many players will improve if you agree to never jump.

I'd like to write on top of our card "No jumps in a GF auction" unless 1M 2NT 4M, I've opened on crap.

4♣ is almost exclusively used as ace asking here so I am up against local conventions, and frequent misunderstandings.

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2023-March-11, 14:06, said:

In which universe are cue bids alerted?

F2F without screens and below 3NT, the universe faithful to WBF alerting policy (a large part of the globe).