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GrahamJson, on 2017-July-08, 15:45, said:
I find it difficult to believe that an expert forum is discussing how may points a hand of AKJ853 7 AKQ10 A6 is worth. Anyone who needs to count points in order to determine whether it is a 2C bid is surely playing the wrong game.
My preferred sequence I think someone has already suggested; 2C-2H-2S-3D etc. I don't think that a 2D "waiting" bid is appropriate when holding a good heart suit as a 2H response is descriptive without taking up any bidding space.
My preferred sequence I think someone has already suggested; 2C-2H-2S-3D etc. I don't think that a 2D "waiting" bid is appropriate when holding a good heart suit as a 2H response is descriptive without taking up any bidding space.
cartruck, on 2017-June-21, 10:12, said:
I would have opened that hand 1♠. I don't open 2 suited hands 2 Clubs, unless I have more HCP than that. That hand is not good enough.
Swap the J of Spades for the Queen and I would.
Swap the J of Spades for the Queen and I would.
cartruck, on 2017-June-23, 12:34, said:
Opening 2♣ on weak hands is Fool's Gold. Don't do it.
cartruck, on 2017-June-23, 12:33, said:
To clarify:
2♣ opener in my system shows 22+ Points (Our points system is heavily modified, Aces = 4 1/2 points (usually - have to deduct at times), etc.
When my father and I open 2♣ (very rarely) we got the goods.
2♣ opener in my system shows 22+ Points (Our points system is heavily modified, Aces = 4 1/2 points (usually - have to deduct at times), etc.
When my father and I open 2♣ (very rarely) we got the goods.
Actually, I find someone telling me that opening the hand in question as 2♣ is fool's gold in an Expert Forum is even more obscene. Or to suggest that I need 11 playing tricks for a 2♣ open is just blasphemous.
The discussion of points came AFTER the person suggested the hand is question is not good enough for 2♣ and isn't a 22+ points hand (see above).
2♣ openings don't have to be determined by points. You can count losers or playing tricks as well. But if you were to play TOTAL points, the hand has more than 21 HCP and just how much is your call, but to dismiss it and suggest that it isn't a 22 point hand because we experts don't commit to such novice academic exercises during hand evaluation...no problems here.
At some point, however, you have to trade in shape and suit length and trick taking ability for points and while you may not want to commit an arbitrary # to it, you have to assign it something even if you prefer to evaluate 2♣ on a case-by-case basis.
