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Posted 2015-November-10, 08:29

Board rotated.



North manages to drag South to slam. What is the best line on the opening lead of 2?
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Posted 2015-November-10, 09:22

Ruff Ht w/low Sp...
Key plays next are taking the Cl Ace and then leading Cl Q .
East more than likely has the Cl K and is now faced with losing propositions .
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Posted 2015-November-10, 09:53

This feels like a hand where there might be a better line but my first instinct is:

Trump in dummy. A and diamond ruff. Ruff a second heart. Ruff another diamond with the 8.

5 more rounds of trumps and then try and guess what to do!
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Posted 2015-November-11, 02:54

I guess I played a very risky line. I ruffed the opening lead, and immediately led the 9 from dummy.

Unfortunately, clubs were 4-1 and West had the King who gratefully won and gave partner a ruff.
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Posted 2015-November-11, 05:03

Playing the Qc off dummy definitely isn't a hopeless line - I'd guess it's about an 80% chance. It would be even better if the club suit was concealed, because the opponents would have a chance to misdefend.

Is the line that I suggested better than 80% in reality? Against less than expert opponents that will often give away the ending, I think so.
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Posted 2015-November-11, 06:59

Normally in this sort of case playing the Q without cashing the ace is the right move, in this case there are very few situations where it's better than cashing the ace first, and some very obvious ones like this where it's worse. Also if E is not a passed hand so more likely to have the K playing the Q improves.
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Posted 2015-November-11, 07:56

Doesn't ruff ace of diamonds ruff diamond ruff heart ruff diamond (9) and then playing all your trumps basically always win. I might have to read the position in the end game. Anytime rho only has three diamonds you will surely squeeze the position out of him. I mean, a the strip squeeze is pretty easy to see, but for all that it works on most players most of the time. I mean you are strip squeezing rho genuinely, but the position is also getting quite tight on lho opponent. If he pitches a club and all his hearts you would surely read him for - - K xx in the end game for example. And if you are happy to assume that rho doesnt have 4 diamonds, then you will know the heart position and the diamond position exactly, so you should not be fooled if rho keeps two hearts and bares the stiff club K.

Imagine the original hand was rho having xx AQxxx Jxx Kxx for example, with no weak two you will know he has 5 hearts exactly (supported by the lead) and in the three card ending he will either have heart A and Kx or Ax heart and stiff K of clubs. Easy read. You will likely go off if rho has xx AJxxx Kxxx Kx as now he will pitch one club and end up A K K, but now he would surely have opened this? If he turns up with 55 you will know, and if he turns up with two diamonds you will also know 100% what to do.
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Posted 2015-November-11, 17:05

View Postshyams, on 2015-November-11, 02:54, said:

I guess I played a very risky line. I ruffed the opening lead, and immediately led the 9 from dummy.

Unfortunately, clubs were 4-1 and West had the King who gratefully won and gave partner a ruff.


What was the trump split ?
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Posted 2015-November-11, 18:14

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2015-November-11, 17:05, said:

What was the trump split ?

East had a 1-6-5-1 hand with a singleton 5 and a singleton 3
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Posted 2015-November-11, 18:36

View Postshyams, on 2015-November-11, 18:14, said:

East had a 1-6-5-1 hand with a singleton 5 and a singleton 3


That is what I was wondering : a singleton Sp for East.
After Cl Ace and then Cl Q , if East ruffs Cl Q w/ stiff Sp 3, it is the only trick they take ... as long as East also has the Ht Ace .

What can East return that doesn't give South the rest of the tricks ?

[ However, I think the contract will fail if East does NOT ruff Cl Q ] .
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Posted 2015-November-12, 08:21

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2015-November-11, 18:36, said:

That is what I was wondering : a singleton Sp for East.
After Cl Ace and then Cl Q , if East ruffs Cl Q w/ stiff Sp 3, it is the only trick they take ... as long as East also has the Ht Ace .

What can East return that doesn't give South the rest of the tricks ?

[ However, I think the contract will fail if East does NOT ruff Cl Q ] .


It won't fail if you pick E as 1651 rather than 2641. What does W return ?

Diamond looks most awkward in which case win, club ruffed and overruffed, heart ruff, club pitching heart, ruff something high and claim
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Posted 2015-November-13, 18:48


shyams writes "North manages to drag South to slam. What is the best line on the opening lead of 2?"

I like Shyam's line: ruff opening lead in dummy and exit with 9 -- with good prospects, unless a defender has Kxxx(x)

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Posted 2015-November-13, 18:52

View PostCyberyeti, on 2015-November-12, 08:21, said:

It won't fail if you pick E as 1651 rather than 2641. What does W return ?

Diamond looks most awkward in which case win, club ruffed and overruffed, heart ruff, club pitching heart, ruff something high and claim


You are right .
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Posted 2015-November-20, 19:05

This hand seems in bidding and perhaps play similar at the one in my topic in Expert cl.b. We can have 12 tricks ruffing heart in dummy, returning in spade impassing twice club..
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Posted 2015-November-20, 19:45

If let's consider bidding after 2: 3(=overcalling at second round indicates rever 6-5 club/diamond)-p-3 then 4(=cue-void) agree spade. The subsequent 4NT could be Bw for c. if Q is equal to K for five controls. In this case 5 indicates 2A+0K and with void in heart you read the whole hand of partner.
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