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Help me with this one

Poll: Help me with this one (27 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. pass (15 votes [55.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.56%

  2. double (6 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  3. 4 hearts (6 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  4. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2015-July-11, 14:03



Match Points.
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Posted 2015-July-11, 14:39

LoTT says you should bid here with 18 total tricks. It's not possible for 3 and 4 to both go down.

Now, actually, with me holding Qxx, there could very well be only 17 on blind play. But if I pass or double here, opponents will probably figure out that I have the spades, and so there will actually be 18.

So I have to bid.
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Posted 2015-July-11, 19:19

I will try pass, conservative but I think 2s told my story.

adjusted roughly 9.5 loser hand, I have some defense.
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Posted 2015-July-11, 20:58

You invited pd, he rejected it.

I know everyone here thinks auto that pd has stiff , but then again he is allowed to look at his own singleton and bid accordingly.
It is still tough due to being MP. You have a lot of negative adjustments, (Qxx and Qx) but you also have the 4th which is good.
I'd pass myself..
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Posted 2015-July-12, 03:23

I would pass.
I can hope to set 3S with my defensive values, while partner despite his likely S singleton refused to bid game. I gave him all required info about my hand and he doesnt seem to think we have game, I have no reason to think differently.
I dont think 4H will work as a transfer to 4S, and X seems to be looking for trouble or giving away the SQ position.
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Posted 2015-July-12, 08:29

I wish I had been able to show a 4-card raise last round, in which case I would defiinitely double now.
I suspect it is right to double anyway. It sounds strongly as if they are in an 8-card fit.
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Posted 2015-July-12, 09:26

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2015-July-12, 08:29, said:

I wish I had been able to show a 4-card raise last round, in which case I would defiinitely double now.
I suspect it is right to double anyway. It sounds strongly as if they are in an 8-card fit.


I'd double too had my hearts been only 3 card.

But if pd has AQ and a hand like Jx AQxxx xx Axxx or similar to this, I do not wanna sign up for a zero. All i know is, from my own experience of course, opponents who bids red vs white to 3 level if only with 8 card fit and not too many hcps, tend to have a singleton and sometimes they both have a singleton. I know a lot of people use the phrase "It is MP so what the heck.." but I found over the years that those bottom boards severely drop our % and are very hard to recover from.

Of course we can also get a zero by not doubling at MP. This hand just does not quite turn me on for some reason. I do not have a single card in my hand that I can confidently claim that it will score a trick!
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Posted 2015-July-12, 09:48

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2015-July-12, 08:29, said:

I wish I had been able to show a 4-card raise last round, in which case I would definitely double now.
I suspect it is right to double anyway. It sounds strongly as if they are in an 8-card fit.

I think you are assuming that NS and EW are expert, but partner is void in spades, and the opponents have ten, assuming the hand is one I have already seen in another context.
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Posted 2015-July-12, 09:50

View Postlamford, on 2015-July-12, 09:48, said:

..... I have already seen in another context.


Where?
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Posted 2015-July-12, 10:45

View PostMrAce, on 2015-July-12, 09:50, said:

Where?

http://www.bridgebas...-discrepancies/

There was a break in tempo by North, it would seem.
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Posted 2015-July-12, 11:44

View Postlamford, on 2015-July-12, 10:45, said:

http://www.bridgebas...-discrepancies/

There was a break in tempo by North, it would seem.



Next time you post a bidding problem and I happen to know partner's hand, is it OK if I tell everyone what he's got?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2015-July-12, 11:45

View Postlamford, on 2015-July-12, 10:45, said:

http://www.bridgebas...-discrepancies/

There was a break in tempo by North, it would seem.


I see, interesting, thanks.

I totally agree with your ruling btw.

EDIT: I think Andy has a point. Seems like we ruined the topic for Gonzalo and probably for everyone else as well. Posted Image
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Posted 2015-July-12, 12:39

View PostMrAce, on 2015-July-12, 11:45, said:


EDIT: I think Andy has a point. Seems like we ruined the topic for Gonzalo and probably for everyone else as well. Posted Image


I think that lamford's comment pretty clearly indicated that partner's hand would be in the other thread.
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Posted 2015-July-12, 14:02

View Postlamford, on 2015-July-12, 09:48, said:

I think you are assuming that NS and EW are expert, but partner is void in spades, and the opponents have ten, assuming the hand is one I have already seen in another context.


Unless we are told otherwise the rule of the game is to assume the opp and partner are true exp/wc players. :)
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Posted 2015-July-12, 18:18

The purpose of this thread had already been fulfilled when the results were presented to the appeals comitee, not very succesfully though, full story at the other thread.
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Posted 2015-July-13, 16:54

4. This might be wrong, but I can't help it. We do have 9 trumps. Plus, the opps have another chance to bid.
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Posted 2015-July-13, 18:12

View PostFluffy, on 2015-July-11, 14:03, said:



Match Points.
It's likely that game is available for one side or the other but partner has already rejected your effort in that direction. Hence, IMO the calls rank:
  • Pass: Quacky with a possible slow trick in opponent's suit.
  • 4: Might make,
  • Double: 3 is less likely to go down if you double.

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Posted 2015-July-13, 19:45

How many times have we been just screwed by doubling with a hand like this? A bunch of soft crap. They have some weird mesh or two suited fit and wrap 9 or 10.

I love kicking them in the teeth when they step out, but I think you need to pass here.
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Posted 2015-July-13, 19:45

Double post.
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Posted 2015-July-14, 04:00

It sounds like they believed the hesitation was not established, so there was nothing to consider.
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