Scoring boards not played
#1
Posted 2015-May-18, 03:14
When a board is not played, the Director should enquire as to why and award a score, adjusted taking into account several factors. For many reasons my Club are not going to do that, that board will either be given an 'average' or deleted (as not played).
My question is, of those two options, which is fairest and why . . . .
(It looks like boards averaged or deleted affect the score by a difference of about 0.005%).
It seems to me that if both pairs are equal then averaging it or deleting the hand from the calculation produces the same effect i.e. neither pair gains or loses anything. If the pairs are unequal (strong pair against a weak pair) then the strong pair lose and the weak pair gain whether it is 'averaged' or 'not played.' Is that correct?
#2
Posted 2015-May-18, 03:32
Anyway it depends why the boards are not played. If the movement is curtailed for some reason, then boards that weren't played are scored as "not played"; your sorting programme may allow the possibility of simply removing the last round(s) from the movement.
If a board is not played at a particular table due to time pressure or the wrong board having been layer or similar, it is not legal to score the board as "not played". And whether a pair scores 40%, 50% or 60%, it will have an effect on the score for each pair.
It is also not legal to give an average to a pair not at all responsible for the inability to play the board.
And by the way, when a board is scored as "not played", a pair doing very well benefit.
So neither of your options is fair or legal.
#3
Posted 2015-May-18, 09:01
#4
Posted 2015-May-18, 11:20
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Law 12C2:
(a.) When owing to an irregularity no result can be obtained (and see C1(d.) above), the Director awards an artificial adjusted score according to responsibility for the irregularity: average minus (at most 40% of the available matchpoints in pairs) to a contestant directly at fault, average (50% in pairs) to a contestant only partly at fault, and average plus (at least 60% in pairs) to a contestant in no way at fault.
(b.) When the Director awards an artificial adjusted score of average plus or minus at international matchpoints, that score is normally plus or minus 3 IMPs, but this may be varied as Law 86A allows.
(c.) The foregoing is modified for a non-offending contestant who obtains a session score exceeding 60% of the available matchpoints or for an offending contestant who obtains a session score that is less than 40% of the available matchpoints (or the equivalent in IMPs). Such contestants are awarded the percentage obtained (or the equivalent in IMPs) on the other boards of that session.*
As Vampyr says, when no result can be obtained, it is illegal to score the board as "not played" unless the director is for some reason removing that board from the schedule of boards to be played. The typical "slow play" example is not a case for that. Once you get beyond "not played" and look at Law 12C2, clearly it is illegal to award average to both sides unless both sides were partly at fault. In order to determine fault, the director has to investigate. She can't just arbitrarily award average to both sides. So as much as it may pain a club director to do it right, and as much as it may pain the perennially slow to see a string of average minuses on their score, that's the way to go.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#5
Posted 2016-May-23, 13:47
Looking for answers I found I'd asked this question a year back.
In deciding how to score a board not played (due to slow play)the choices are:
1. Average
2. Not played
3. Adjusted score
In the case of a board not played due to slow play by both pairs i.e. both pairs equally at fault which is fairest Average or Not played?
(I presume the answer comes down to score achieved by each option and I presume (?) Not played means both pairs get zero points (?) i.e. both would be penalised?)
#6
Posted 2016-May-23, 14:23
8.12.8(b) A table loses a board because of slow play. They only just run out of time and the TD decides both sides are equally at fault. If one side had played a little more quickly the slowness of their opponents would not have lost the board, so both sides are only partly at fault. So AVE/AVE is the normal ruling.
8.12.8(c ) A player is taken ill and misses three boards. How should they be scored? The other side is not at fault, of course, but the player who is ill is ‘directly at fault’ for the boards being cancelled, so the correct ruling is AVE+/AVE-.
8.12.9 ‘Not played’ Computer software usually has a possibility of inputting ‘not played’ for a table on a specific board. Some TDs or scorers use this when a table loses a board for slow play, late arrival or other similar reasons but this is illegal. At such a time the TD should decide whether to give AVE+, AVE or AVE- to each side as is required by Law 12C2(a).
#7
Posted 2016-May-23, 18:31
You listed three options, but one of them is "average" which is an artificial adjusted score, so it's the same as your option 3.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#9
Posted 2016-May-24, 07:30
VixTD, on 2016-May-24, 07:00, said:
I believe the problem you and I have is with the word 'fair'. As a Director, I am supposed to score boards by the rules; a game is fair if I do that, and not fair if I don't.
As a person, I believe that when a board cannot be played and a pair is not at fault, NP which (as a practical matter) gives that pair their "percent of game" for that board would be more equitable. But, Bridge is not governed by my personal sense of fairness.
#10
Posted 2016-May-24, 08:09
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#11
Posted 2016-May-24, 08:45
blackshoe, on 2016-May-24, 08:09, said:
But right below that is "just or appropriate in the circumstances". When people express the opinion that the rules themselves aren't fair, that's what they mean, and that's essentially what they're saying when they say they would prefer not to follow the rules when handing out a ruling.
For instance, suppose the law imposed more severe penalties for petty theft than murder, and a judge's conscience wouldn't allow him to impose the harsher sentence to the minor criminal.
#12
Posted 2016-May-24, 09:05
blackshoe, on 2016-May-23, 18:31, said:
You listed three options, but one of them is "average" which is an artificial adjusted score, so it's the same as your option 3.
We've had this disagreement before, but I think that a director who wishes to award "not played" can use Law 8A1 as a legal basis for it.
#13
Posted 2016-May-24, 09:23
jeffford76, on 2016-May-24, 09:05, said:
If the director cancels the play of a board under law 8, they have to award an artificial adjusted score under law 12, so I don't think "not played" would be legal.
#14
Posted 2016-May-24, 09:30
aguahombre, on 2016-May-24, 07:30, said:
As a person, I believe that when a board cannot be played and a pair is not at fault, NP which (as a practical matter) gives that pair their "percent of game" for that board would be more equitable. But, Bridge is not governed by my personal sense of fairness.
In what way is "not played" fairer than A+?
#15
Posted 2016-May-24, 09:44
Vampyr, on 2016-May-24, 09:30, said:
In what way is an arbitrary plus fair at all? Answer: it is a rule of the game, and equally arbitrary to everyone.
Not played does not mean zero, it just means the board doesn't affect your game percentage one way or the other.
#16
Posted 2016-May-24, 09:59
jeffford76, on 2016-May-24, 09:05, said:
I can't see any connection. Is that really the law you intended to cite?
London UK
#17
Posted 2016-May-24, 10:51
aguahombre, on 2016-May-24, 09:44, said:
Not played does not mean zero, it just means the board doesn't affect your game percentage one way or the other.
I am not the person who said something was more fair or less fair. Sorry for the confusion.
#18
Posted 2016-May-24, 14:16
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To rectify an error in procedure the Director may:
1. award an adjusted score as permitted by these Laws.
2. require, postpone, or cancel the play of a board.
3. exercise any other power given to him in these Laws
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So the director certainly has the power to cancel an unplayed board (in addition to the explicit provisions of 15C). and 90B2 would seem to qualify as an error in procedure since it is potentially subject to a PP
Edit 90B2 would normally result in an Ave- for at least one contestant, so would not be a "not played" as described here.
#19
Posted 2016-May-24, 17:29
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean