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#1 User is offline   lxt08 

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Posted 2014-September-15, 17:55



sys sayc
now N how bid?
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Posted 2014-September-15, 18:13

3C
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Posted 2014-September-15, 20:15

Note: 2N is game forcing. The "I just have minimum junk" bid over 2♦ is 2♠.
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Posted 2014-September-15, 20:28

good problem

I will try 3s slam try.

I understand 3c but afraid that will lead to a confusing auction.
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Posted 2014-September-15, 23:37

 Bbradley62, on 2014-September-15, 20:15, said:

Note: 2N is game forcing. The "I just have minimum junk" bid over 2♦ is 2♠.


It doesn't look like this is correct. The system notes show this as a minimum (13-15 point) hand, so opener could pass a 3D rebid. Responder cannot pass 2NT though.
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Posted 2014-September-16, 03:43

You've shown presumably 10+ by bidding 2 ♦ over 1 ♠. So any new suit by you should be forcing for at least one round.

You have at least an 8 card ♠ fit, so you plan to play in at least 4 ♠. However, your hand is more than a minimum range opener because of the void and good suits. There is no reason not to show your second suit and continue to force partner. So I think 3 ♣ is the proper bid. Your plan is to raise to at least 4 ♠ on the next round.

At this point in the auction, a 3 ♠ bid would be only invitational. 4 ♠ would show a game going hand, but is in effect a sign off.

With the right minimum range opener for partner, slam is still possible -- something like ♠ AKQxx ♥ xxx ♦ Kx ♣ xxx is enough.
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Posted 2014-September-16, 03:51

3♣ seems forcing and obvious. However, if there's a risk of partner passing it, the best bid is probably 6♦, which rates to be the percentage call.
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Posted 2014-September-16, 11:59

 whereagles, on 2014-September-16, 03:51, said:

3♣ seems forcing and obvious. However, if there's a risk of partner passing it, the best bid is probably 6♦, which rates to be the percentage call.


I agree with 3C. Even if there is a risk that partner will pass. That information - that you need a new partner - is more valuable than the result of any one hand.
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Posted 2014-September-16, 12:14

Another 3♣ bidder here.
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Posted 2014-September-16, 12:34

If I had to cut with a butter knife, 4♥ is a really good option.
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Posted 2014-September-16, 13:28

 kenrexford, on 2014-September-16, 12:34, said:

If I had to cut with a butter knife, 4♥ is a really good option.

I don't mind 4♥ provided my PD understands it and that I'm willing to get into a "what else could it be but a 3 card splinter" post mortum :)
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Posted 2014-September-16, 14:23

 neilkaz, on 2014-September-16, 13:28, said:

I don't mind 4♥ provided my PD understands it and that I'm willing to get into a "what else could it be but a 3 card splinter" post mortum :)


I'm happy with 4♥ as long as we play SJS so I can be sure that he doesn't think it's something with a big diamond suit and a heart void.
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Posted 2014-September-17, 17:03

3♦ is non-forcing in SAYC. 3♣ is my call.
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Posted 2014-September-17, 18:15

 Cyberyeti, on 2014-September-16, 14:23, said:

I'm happy with 4♥ as long as we play SJS so I can be sure that he doesn't think it's something with a big diamond suit and a heart void.


4H should set Ds and show a stiff or void. Playing it as a S splinter is an instant nomination for the partner torture club.
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Posted 2014-September-18, 03:38

 the hog, on 2014-September-17, 18:15, said:

4H should set Ds and show a stiff or void. Playing it as a S splinter is an instant nomination for the partner torture club.


I agree, but if you play SJS that hand started with 3♦ so it agrees spades, hence the comment I made.
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Posted 2014-September-18, 04:16

 mike777, on 2014-September-15, 20:28, said:

good problem

I will try 3s slam try.

I understand 3c but afraid that will lead to a confusing auction.

Yes but I wouldn't dare 3♠ unless playing with one of the 0.001% of self-described "SAYC" players who actually know SAYC.
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Posted 2014-September-18, 04:29

come on, that's a bit unfair.. :)
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