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The Wrong Side of a Transfer Strange position

Poll: The Wrong Side of a Transfer (22 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. PASS (20 votes [90.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 90.91%

  2. DOUBLE - t/o (2 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  3. 2N - Undiscussed range on this sequence, but Natural (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   phil_20686 

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Posted 2014-July-24, 06:08



So LHO showed spades and a minor, his partner passed this. There is zero chance they have had a misunderstanding, rho just has hearts.

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Posted 2014-July-24, 08:05

Absolutely not. If you are fixed, you are fixed. But they have no fit and they are vul, so unless you can make a game you are likely to do as well defending 2♥ as anything. And there is a significant chance that you can't make anything.
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Posted 2014-July-24, 08:33

Agree, I'm not liking our offensive chances on this with 4333, spade length under the guy with the spades, potential bad breaks all over the place. We're more likely to beat 2H than to make anything.

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Posted 2014-July-24, 09:11

WTP PASS
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Posted 2014-July-24, 09:11

pard probably has short hearts... if he passed, he has nothing. So pass

you miss a game if he has a balanced 12-14 with 3 hearts, but that's just about the only really bad scenario
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Posted 2014-July-24, 10:03

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-July-24, 09:11, said:

pard probably has short hearts... if he passed, he has nothing. So pass

you miss a game if he has a balanced 12-14 with 3 hearts, but that's just about the only really bad scenario

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Posted 2014-July-24, 10:17

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-July-24, 09:11, said:

pard probably has short hearts... if he passed, he has nothing. So pass

you miss a game if he has a balanced 12-14 with 3 hearts, but that's just about the only really bad scenario


Because he will obviously make a t/o double of spades with short hearts? No reason at all partner cannot have a decent hand with short hearts here, he only got a chance to t/o spades. Its a Transfer Lucas type thing.
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Posted 2014-July-24, 10:38

FWIW double is not for takeout here. But anyway, I pass.
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Posted 2014-July-24, 11:28

At least they are vulnerable.
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Posted 2014-July-24, 13:52

Sorrry, I didn't notice it was spade/minor. Well, probably that makes it even more dangerous to bid. pass regardless
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Posted 2014-August-01, 06:20

The full hand was:



So I passed. So we missed 3N on this deal.

The consensus among the players out there was that this was a tough position, but that you should probably bid either dble or 2N, on the grounds that your partner was expecting another bid. Obviously, hard to know if people were resulting a bit.

Partner didnt want to overcall because he didn't have a great bid available, and expected to get another chance to bid in the protective seat. 2N in protective seat as a flawyed 2N overcall would express his hand nicely.
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