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#21 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2014-June-25, 06:41

View PostTrinidad, on 2014-June-25, 02:22, said:

I would say that missing the good slam is what happened.


This is a magic slam. I think it can would only be reach using a relay system. Or taking a flyer.
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Posted 2014-June-25, 07:08

I think a big part if not all of the blame has to go to North.

After 2 by his partner North knows about the double fit in the black suits.
North has to downgrade his values for defense because the most likely split 3-1.
He also has to downgrade partners potential values as North knows about the 9 card fit there.

So I dislike both North 4 bid and his dbl on 5.

Unless otherwise agreed, 4 should put South into a position to reevaluate his hand now also knowing about the double fit.
After that South has a chance to to show control with 4 or to bid 5.
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Posted 2014-June-25, 07:40

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-June-25, 06:41, said:

This is a magic slam. I think it can would only be reach using a relay system. Or taking a flyer.


Actually no, several good things could happen, eg 1-(1)-2 and now the weak hand may not have enough for a 3 bid so you can proceed on your merry way unopposed, depends on methods, but once S finds out N has extras, 2+Q and no heart control it's simple to bid 6 where the only problem would be if you are both have a singleton diamond.

I'm not sure if W would bid 5 over 3 by S, but I'd expect to play 5 if he does unless partner just takes a wild flyer.
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Posted 2014-June-25, 07:59

First blame goes to South for 2. I would probably have cue bid 3 to show a stronger raise.
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Posted 2014-June-25, 10:13

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-June-25, 04:34, said:

I thought about that, but isn't partner with AQxxx now going to think the suit is solid ?


Well, possibly. But frankly I am not sure I care too much as I personally am not as confident as others here seem to be that 2 shows 4 card support.

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Posted 2014-June-25, 11:22

View PostNickRW, on 2014-June-25, 10:13, said:

Well, possibly. But frankly I am not sure I care too much as I personally am not as confident as others here seem to be that 2 shows 4 card support.

Nick


It's not guaranteed, 3415 will also support, but the point is that once you rule out the weak no trump hands, the chance of having 4 increases.
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Posted 2014-June-25, 11:56

View PostNickRW, on 2014-June-25, 04:17, said:

Concur with the sentiments about South's 2 rebid. But if North is going to bid 4, nothing would have been lost with a 4 bid surely to alert South about the double fit


I agree 4 clear, you know partners not good so he will need encouragement
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