[ahydra]

I like 1H then 2H. Make the DQ the DA and I'll rebid 3H.

ahydra

[gszes]

I find it difficult to imagine that anyone deciding to open
this hand with 1h will be happy in any way shape or form if
the bidding happens to turn competitive and partner decides
to x.

This hand is almost as perfect a textbook 3h bid at these
colors as one can imagine. You are showing 7 tricks and
great hearts and not much (if any) defense. If we begin
with 3h we will have zero problems if the auction turns
competitive because we have already given a very accurate
description to our partner.

3H

So many problems are caused by the opps preempts maybe just
maybe we should be taking advantage of preempts when we can:)

[dboxley]

the hog, on 2014-June-05, 04:07, said:

6 loser hand Wank.

Does that make it an automatic jump rebid? Absurd...

I can see maybe OPENING 3H and taking the chance of missing 3NT but I would never invite pd to try for a slam opposite this trash. What would you bid if you actually HAD a jump rebid?

[beatrix45]

Imo, this is a really bad preempt at any level. Everything is wrong with it.
1. Vul vs Nvul
2. 7-2-2-2 shape
3. second seat
4. a stray, non-working queen
5. it is in the heart suit which doesn't preempt spades
6. it has both the high card and playing strength for an opening one bid

Having opened one ♥, a 2♥ rebid is automatic unless I am playing a strong one ♣ opener. In that case, a 3♥ bid is possible, but personally, I wouldn't make it unless we had a partnership agreement that it showed a solid suit and maybe nothing much extra in terms of high cards.

[the hog]

dboxley, on 2014-June-09, 10:47, said:

Does that make it an automatic jump rebid? Absurd...

I can see maybe OPENING 3H and taking the chance of missing 3NT but I would never invite pd to try for a slam opposite this trash. What would you bid if you actually HAD a jump rebid?

Try for slam? I think THAT comment is absurd. As 3H is game invitational and not even forcing, why should a jump rebid be a slam try except in your fevered imagination?
If you open 1H and rebid 2H is your pd going to find 3NT opposite
Jxxx xx Axx Axxx
I think any sane pd will pass. Whoops, just lost 12 Imps!

Quote Gszes:
This hand is almost as perfect a textbook 3h bid at these
colors as one can imagine."
Gszes, you clearly read different textbooks to those I do. Who wrote yours, Mickey Mouse?

[dboxley]

[quote name='the hog' timestamp='1402497667' post='797806']
Try for slam? I think THAT comment is absurd. As 3H is game invitational and not even forcing, why should a jump rebid be a slam try except in your fevered imagination?
If you open 1H and rebid 2H is your pd going to find 3NT opposite
Jxxx xx Axx Axxx
I think any sane pd will pass. Whoops, just lost 12 Imps!

Well, I just read the question again, so never mind. If 1♠ response shows 5-11 what response shows 12+?

[helene_t]

dboxley, on 2014-June-12, 06:53, said:

Well, I just read the question again, so never mind. If 1♠ response shows 5-11 what response shows 12+?

Presumably they have inverted 1♠ and 1NT so 1NT would be forcing with spades.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 3H, 2nd pos., red vs. green, the alternative being 1H,
but 3H describes the hand nicely, assuming you and your
partner agree, that this is a 3H opening bid.


#2 if I opened 1H, I will rebid 2H, showing a min. opener
and 6+ hearts

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

P_Marlowe, on 2014-June-12, 08:02, said:

#1 3H, 2nd pos., red vs. green, the alternative being 1H,
but 3H describes the hand nicely, assuming you and your
partner agree, that this is a 3H opening bid.


#2 if I opened 1H, I will rebid 2H, showing a min. opener
and 6+ hearts

With kind regards
Marlowe

Uwe, that is not what you hold. You have 7 hearts and they are solid.

[P_Marlowe]

the hog, on 2014-June-12, 17:17, said:

Uwe, that is not what you hold. You have 7 hearts and they are solid.

I know. But our req. red vs. green in 2nd position are heavy, the hand is not
even a max. for us. In 1st seat, we would open this 4H.
I would never call this standard, but in the end it does not matter as
long as partner knowes this as well and acts accordingly.
With all others I would open 4H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kenrexford]

I thought about this topic a bit more, and something occurred to me. Assume that the 3H opening shows six losers if red on white. If that's true, then there will be maybe four hand types that will qualify in theory.

1. 7 card suits with no side defense and thus solid
2. 7 card suits with defense, and thus not solid
3. 7 card suits with a side 4-card suit and thus not solif
4. 8 card suits and thus not solid

From that list, make what you will as far as conclusions. I suppose the 6-4 hand is possible, probably solid.

[gszes]

the hog, on 2014-June-05, 02:38, said:

1H followed by 3H. Looks obvious to me.
Odd question and even more odd answers especially in the expert forum. These are answers I would expect in the B/I forum.

I find myself in rare disagreement here 1h 2h seems correct mainly because of a theory
we keep trying to convince defenders to do---try to imagine a holding where your partner
bids 4h (and p hand is too weak to invite) and 4H is successful. If you do that I strongly
feel you will find so few out of the many partner might choose (to bid 4h) in the long run
you will probably agree that 2h is better than 3h though admittedly the 3h bid with this
preemptive type hand might end up being a winner far more often than expected due to its
rather formidable sounding roar.

[benlessard]

Im pretty convinced 3H is best. It show exactly the strenght of my hand & show where I live. It annoy the opponents by competing directly to the law level without promising defense. Yes 3NT might be better than 4H/3H but all the plus are more than adequate compensation.

Note that 1H-1S-2H may easily miss a game that 3H would find.

1H-1S-3H is the worst of both world it has most of the downside of 3H but none of the preemptive upsides.

Also people tend to forget the odds opps find a sucessful sac of a slow 4M.

[lesh]

I think 3♥ describes your hand precisely. The red vs green and 2nd position implies that you have a solid suit and even though you have Q♦ it doesnt make much of a difference. 1♥ - 2♥ will make it harder for your partner to know what to expect whereas opening 3♥ gives him as clear picture as possible.