[dboxley]

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What went wrong?

[Bbradley62]

I'm guessing the spades were conveniently located so you made an overtrick?

[larlar]

After south makes a game try, north should bid a game. Not that it's a great game but south did have the (sort of) wasted DK.

[larlar]

After south makes a game try, north should bid a game. Not that it's a great game but south did have the (sort of) wasted DK.

[mcphee]

N could have been a little more competitive. N has a decent hand facing a heart overcall and could have doubled 2D responsive to get the black suits in the photo, far more helpful to south.

[mcphee]

N could have been a little more competitive. N has a decent hand facing a heart overcall and could have doubled 2D responsive to get the black suits in the photo, far more helpful to south.

[helene_t]

Mostly bad luck. If anything, North could have bid game.

[MrAce]

I would not blame anyone for this. And I am not known to be shy bidder.

[cherdano]

Sorry Timo, Helene, I think you are way off. Once South makes a game try (which he did by doubling 3♦) North clearly should bid game.
Not that there is much blame to go around, as everyone wrote it's a borderline game.

[gwnn]

I think S overbid a smidgen but N underbid by quite a bit. Hence they missed a thin game. S should get negative blame and N some significant positive blame. If they had reached the game and it had gone down, S should get positive blame and N no blame.

[dake50]

I'm guessing the spades were conveniently located so you made an overtrick? -- Bbradley62

*** That's a wildly likely assumption:
SQ single drops under SK
+SQx drops
+S:Q10xx onside discovered on SK
+they decide 5D-X is cheap.
The point is that's surely over VUL game percent and equal nv game percent.

[nekthen]

I think that South should double initially. The bidding demonstrates how hard it is to find the 5 -4 ♠when you have the 5-3 ♥fit.
After a double by South 2♠ by North should surely propel you to game.
With 5♠ and 4♥ the bidding is much easier for South bidding 1♠ followed by 2♥

[jogs]

What happened on this board? Did spades play better than hearts?

 nekthen, on 2014-April-28, 06:26, said:

I think that South should double initially.

Advancer isn't going out of his way to bid clubs. Ax is sufficient clubs for the double.

[jogs]

What happened on this board? Did spades play better than hearts?

 nekthen, on 2014-April-28, 06:26, said:

I think that South should double initially.

Advancer isn't going out of his way to bid clubs. Ax is sufficient clubs for the double.

[MrAce]

 cherdano, on 2014-April-28, 04:37, said:

Sorry Timo, Helene, I think you are way off. Once South makes a game try (which he did by doubling 3♦) North clearly should bid game.
Not that there is much blame to go around, as everyone wrote it's a borderline game.

Then I think S can not make game try with hands like, which is actually better hand than the OP.

xx
KQxxx
Kx
AKxx

KQxx
Kxxxx
Kx
Ax

Ooops!

I don't mind bidding game with N hand. When seeing the ♥ T and 4 card spades headed by K yea, I would love to be in game. I would think pass is also very reasonable seeing only 1 hand. But I also would think who claims this was a clear decision by N to bid game and we are way off is exaggerating .

[Trinidad]

North forgot to open a Muiderberg?



Rik

[cherdano]

 MrAce, on 2014-April-28, 08:46, said:

Then I think S can not make game try with hands like, which is actually better hand than the OP.

xx
KQxxx
Kx
AKxx

KQxx
Kxxxx
Kx
Ax

Ooops!

I don't mind bidding game with N hand. When seeing the ♥ T and 4 card spades headed by K yea, I would love to be in game. I would think pass is also very reasonable seeing only 1 hand. But I also would think who claims this was a clear decision by N to bid game and we are way off is exaggerating .

If all the hands you are constructing are minimum gametries containing a wasted ♦K, then of course you construct a lot of hopeless games! You are out of space, whatever you do, you will either miss some games or get to some terrible ones, or both.

Maybe I was overstating my case, but you'll have to construct better examples to convince me of that

[case_no_6]

 dboxley, on 2014-April-27, 16:56, said:

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What went wrong?

What went wrong is that the 1H overcaller failed to show the potential to play in spades. I don't like to Double for takeout here if responder's bid in the other minor would be embarrassing as it is here.

Rather, in my way of thinking, a Michaels cue bid of 2D is right when holding 4 spades and 5 hearts or 5-5 in the majors. Partner will prefer to bid hearts without a clear preference and will be spades only with a clear preference.

I do not advocate the Michaels bid with unequal length in the majors when spades are longer, however. Notice that, had everyone's heart and spade holdings been reversed, the 1S overcaller (in the actual deal, the 1H overcaller) would have been able to compete with 3H to discover the heart fit.

[case_no_6]

 dboxley, on 2014-April-27, 16:56, said:

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What went wrong?

What went wrong is that the 1H overcaller failed to show the potential to play in spades. I don't like to Double for takeout here if responder's bid in the other minor would be embarrassing as it is here.

Rather, in my way of thinking, a Michaels cue bid of 2D is right when holding 4 spades and 5 hearts or 5-5 in the majors. Partner will prefer to bid hearts without a clear preference and will be spades only with a clear preference.

I do not advocate the Michaels bid with unequal length in the majors when spades are longer, however. Notice that, had everyone's heart and spade holdings been reversed, the 1S overcaller (in the actual deal, the 1H overcaller) would have been able to compete with 3H to discover the heart fit.

[case_no_6]

 dboxley, on 2014-April-27, 16:56, said:

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What went wrong?

What went wrong is that the 1H overcaller failed to show the potential to play in spades. I don't like to Double for takeout with 4 spades and 5 hearts if responder's bid in the other minor would be embarrassing as it would be here.

Rather, in my way of thinking, a Michaels cue bid of 2D is useful for showing hands interested in only the majors when holding 4 spades and 5 hearts or 5-5 in the majors. Partner will prefer to bid hearts without a clear preference and will bid spades only with a clear preference.

I do not advocate the Michaels bid with unequal length in the majors when spades are longer, however. Notice that, had everyone's heart and spade holdings been reversed, the 1S overcaller (in the actual deal, the 1H overcaller) would have been able to compete with 3H to discover the heart fit.