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respoding to a take out double seems not to have been updated in years, polish players only jump with 5+ cards in a suit. whereas our methods(uk) tend to jump with 4 cards and 7/9 points, qith 10 points we cue. what`s the current thinking?
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responding to a take out double simple responses?
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Posted 2014-April-09, 10:59
American style is that a cue is forcing to suit agreement. Hence, you need a good hand to use it and with a ten count and a four card suit you will have to bid your suit with a jump instead.
A popular style among strong Dutch players is that the jump response suggests a five card suit.
In either case you need a decent nine count for a positive response. This reflects the light modern doubling style
A popular style among strong Dutch players is that the jump response suggests a five card suit.
In either case you need a decent nine count for a positive response. This reflects the light modern doubling style
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Posted 2014-April-09, 11:11
Here we play like this.
When a suit can be bid at the 1 level:
1x = 0-7(8)
2x = 9-11, 4 cards (Exceptionally 5 cards with exactly 8)
3x = 9-11, 5 cards
cuebid can only be 2 types of hands: game forcing (12+ any) or invitational with both 4 card majors. So the only non GF sequences after cuebid is 2M-3M-pass.
If the suit cannot be bid at the 1 level, then both invitational bids merge so it is 4 or 5 cards.
When a suit can be bid at the 1 level:
1x = 0-7(8)
2x = 9-11, 4 cards (Exceptionally 5 cards with exactly 8)
3x = 9-11, 5 cards
cuebid can only be 2 types of hands: game forcing (12+ any) or invitational with both 4 card majors. So the only non GF sequences after cuebid is 2M-3M-pass.
If the suit cannot be bid at the 1 level, then both invitational bids merge so it is 4 or 5 cards.
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Posted 2014-April-09, 12:26
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Posted 2014-April-09, 13:48
kenrexford, on 2014-April-09, 12:26, said:
Herbert Negative.
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When I was living in Sweden, a strong Swedish pair played 1NT as Lebensohl.
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Posted 2014-April-10, 03:06
After (1m) dbl (p) there is something to be said for bidding 2M with a 5crd suit. After (1♥) dbl (p) I think you should be able to bid 2♠ on a 4crd suit.
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Posted 2014-April-10, 10:45
Heh. Last night, the auction went p-1♥-X-p-2♥ (and then 3♣-X-AP. Unfortunately I slipped a trick in the defence. Fortunately, it was the second downtrick).
I had no idea how to bid my hand, but I was happy to know that partner knew my shape (and frankly, if I'd gone with my other option which was 2♠, she'd have known it as well). Thing is we were playing EHAA, so having guaranteed a "good" hand, I implied 4441! Playing standard, how do you bid
I had no idea how to bid my hand, but I was happy to know that partner knew my shape (and frankly, if I'd gone with my other option which was 2♠, she'd have known it as well). Thing is we were playing EHAA, so having guaranteed a "good" hand, I implied 4441! Playing standard, how do you bid
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Posted 2014-April-11, 07:41
So many options.. lol
2♠
2♥
2NT)
1NT(!!)
pass!!
2♠
2♥
2NT)
1NT(!!)
pass!!
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Posted 2014-April-11, 09:38
mycroft, on 2014-April-10, 10:45, said:
Heh. Last night, the auction went p-1♥-X-p-2♥ (and then 3♣-X-AP. Unfortunately I slipped a trick in the defence. Fortunately, it was the second downtrick).
I had no idea how to bid my hand, but I was happy to know that partner knew my shape (and frankly, if I'd gone with my other option which was 2♠, she'd have known it as well). Thing is we were playing EHAA, so having guaranteed a "good" hand, I implied 4441! Playing standard, how do you bid
I had no idea how to bid my hand, but I was happy to know that partner knew my shape (and frankly, if I'd gone with my other option which was 2♠, she'd have known it as well). Thing is we were playing EHAA, so having guaranteed a "good" hand, I implied 4441! Playing standard, how do you bid
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Unfortunately there is no "standard" about the 2♥ cue advancing Partner's takeout double. We use it to deny 4 in the focus Major (Spades). It would show this strength, but pretty much be a Minor-suit scramble. So, I wouldn't do that here because it would propel us blindly to 3NT or 4S and I don't have the information yet to try that.
A really wimpy downgrade to 1♠ would enter my mind. In this case, it seems like opener will rebid 2C, partner will double, and I can come alive in NT.
But, with my working 5-count plus those hearts, I probably would bid a knee-jerk 2S and pull Partner's double of 3C to 3NT at all white as shown in the diagram.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 15:07
Trinidad, on 2014-April-09, 13:48, said:
When I was living in Sweden, a strong Swedish pair played 1NT as Lebensohl.
Rik
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This seems like an excellent agreement. The main reason being it stops partner bidding a natural 1NT on a completely unsuitable hand.
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Posted 2014-April-12, 02:47
Trinidad, on 2014-April-09, 13:48, said:
When I was living in Sweden, a strong Swedish pair played 1NT as Lebensohl.
Rik
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EricK, on 2014-April-11, 15:07, said:
This seems like an excellent agreement. The main reason being it stops partner bidding a natural 1NT on a completely unsuitable hand.
I play most of the system of a strong Belgian player and this is part of it. We call it Leuvensohl (our club is in Leuven).
(1H)-DBL-?
1S: nat
1NT: Leuvensohl (weak or 4cS)
2C/2D: Nat, 7-10
2H: 11+, no 4cS, no stop
2S: 5cS, Invite
2NT: Nat, no 4cS
(1H)-DBL-(P)-1NT
(P)-2C-(P)-?
- Pass/2D: weak
- 2H: 11+, 4cS, no stop
- 2S: 11+, 4cS, stop
BTW: You can find more bids related to this on http://bss2html.atspace.cc/ by loading <My System> and ticking "Competitive", "Disable undefined bids" and "they open"
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