[onoway]

mike777, on 2013-February-07, 02:11, said:

top ten


you understand you are the only one who knows what that is......not ten million


Over 60 years that is the best?

fair enough list your top ten over last 60-etc years

hint no one knows red dwarf......less than 10% of world..you may be only vote

I loved Red Dwarf as well. And Dr Who. Also the Avengers with Patrick MacNee and Diana Rigg in particular. It got more and more sci-fi-ish as the years passed. All of them had elements of humor which were part of their appeal. Why should it have to be grim to be called sci-fi?

[blackshoe]

Firefly was 14 episodes, including the pilot.

[Mbodell]

hrothgar, on 2013-February-07, 17:56, said:

fair enough. I can see bumping Buffy as fantasy.
I loved Firefly, but it was only on for half a season...

Yeah, I'd bump Buffy as fantasy (unless you allow fantasy as part of sci-fi - which I consider a perfectly respectable and reasonable thing to do). I do think ST:DS9 is worthy of being on the list. But your list is much better than OP's list IMO.

[blackshoe]

I have no problem with including fantasy in SF. After all, when I was growing up, my two favorite magazines were Analog and The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. But if we expand it, then "top ten" isn't a big enough list - we'd have to go to top fifteen at least.

[billw55]

blackshoe, on 2013-February-07, 22:22, said:

Firefly was 14 episodes, including the pilot.

.. and certainly it is eligible. If Fawlty Towers (12 episodes) is eligible as great comedy, Firefly surely is as sci-fi.

Third Rock from the Sun was entertaining, but I can hardly imagine anything further from science fiction. Absurd to even mention it as such, IMO.

Personally I separate fantasy as well, there is plenty of each to justify two categories. Many people lump them together though.

I also think DS9 was the best Star Trek, especially the last 4 seasons or so.

[barmar]

billw55, on 2013-February-08, 07:32, said:

Personally I separate fantasy as well, there is plenty of each to justify two categories. Many people lump them together though.

Whether they should be lumped together depends on the context. If you're laying out sections in a bookstore or video store, a few broad categories are best, and they get combined. But for a top 10 list, combining them would dilute things too much.

[GreenMan]

hrothgar, on 2013-February-07, 17:15, said:

1. Star Trek
2. Twilight Zone
3. Battlestar Galactica (the new one)
4. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. Doctor Who
6. X Files
7. Farscape
8. Star Trek: The Next Generation
9. Babylon 5
10. Stargate SG1

Finally some love for Stargate! SG-1 was consistently better than most.

[hrothgar]

billw55, on 2013-February-08, 07:32, said:

I also think DS9 was the best Star Trek, especially the last 4 seasons or so.

I agree that DS9 was better than The Next Generation, however, TNG was what brought the series back to the small screen and seems like a more significant achievement.
(On the other hand, the first few seasons of TNG were bad. VERY VERY bad. Part of what made B5 look so good was the comparison with TNG)

[barmar]

While early TNG may have been bad by Star Trek standards, it was still very good in comparison to most televised SF at the time. Babylon 5 didn't arrive until the end of its run, and Farscape a few years later than that. And I think it was better than most of ST:TOS -- it was excellent for its time, but seems very hoky in comparison to TNG.

[Mbodell]

I agree that DS9 > TNG > TOS in terms of series quality (for individual episode quality there are a few TNG that are hard to beat). In terms of impact, clearly TOS > TNG > DS9.

[mike777]

great thread must admit i gave up on buffy after season one so....and never got into farscape when first one tv.


Not sure why so many hate on tng...farscape with Q. Clearly I was not the only fan of the Q.

So Iguess I put TNG a bit higher but in any case great discussion and fun. Love the new Doc Who but I also loved the old One with you whats his name...tom baker?

BAB5 DS9/started out great but ran out of gas pretty =quik....


BG was great..

never really got into SG1 so pass

[blackshoe]

I actually thought the first season of "Gene Rodenberry's 'Andromeda'" was pretty good, but after Wolfe quit writing for it and Sorbo turned it into "The Kevin Sorbo Show" it went downhill fast.

The Buffy spinoff Angel wasn't as good as Buffy, but pretty close - and the series finales of both shows were pretty good. I've always liked Angel's last line: "Well, personally, I kinda want to slay the dragon. Let's go to work."

[mike777]

blackshoe, on 2013-February-08, 23:21, said:

I actually thought the first season of "Gene Rodenberry's 'Andromeda'" was pretty good, but after Wolfe quit writing for it and Sorbo turned it into "The Kevin Sorbo Show" it went downhill fast.

The Buffy spinoff Angel wasn't as good as Buffy, but pretty close - and the series finales of both shows were pretty good. I've always liked Angel's last line: "Well, personally, I kinda want to slay the dragon. Let's go to work."

Black...this post says so much more about you...than I ever knew.........

[paua]

mike777, on 2013-February-08, 22:47, said:

Love the new Doc Who but I also loved the old One with you whats his name...tom baker?

Jon Pertwee was the best Dr Who, IMHO.

[billw55]

mike777, on 2013-February-08, 22:47, said:

BAB5 DS9/started out great but ran out of gas pretty =quik....

Disagree completely. Both shows built their long term plots and got better as they went on, especially DS9.

[the hog]

paua, on 2013-February-09, 03:10, said:

Jon Pertwee was the best Dr Who, IMHO.

Seconded!

[mike777]

Watching the new version of BG now.

The visuals are great....the story and acting seems ok so far.

Fast pace with many quick cuts seems to be the style.

The story picks up ten years into the "first war" with a very young Adama.


Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome was to be an upcoming spin-off series from the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series.[23] Syfy approached show runner Ronald D. Moore to produce another spin-off set in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica universe, and will begin as a two-hour pilot that will focus on William "Husker" Adama.. during the First Cylon War...


http://en.wikipedia....estar_Galactica

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the last 5 minutes bring up many twists and turns regarding honor, integrity, when is it ok to lie...and many ethical issues.....they are discussed for 2 seconds and they move on.

At this point I am rooting for the robots.