[Phil]

r/r, IMPs

KJT KT Qxx JT9xx

(2♥) - dbl - (3♥) - ?

[SteveMoe]

Double - Cards/responsive. Will bid 3N over 3♠. Not clear 3N immediately is right. Partner might have a min ♠ hand. Partner should play me for 2 ♥ cards and 3 ♠ cards. With strength to his left pard can judge to pass with most mins.

[gnasher]

4♣. It's not particularly likely that we can make 3NT, and it will often go about three down.

[phil_20686]

It doesn't seem that like we can make 4c that often. We pass and it floats this is our best chance to go positive. If partner doubles again both 3n and 5c are in play

[the hog]

X. Cannot pass of course as we have far too many values to make that course of action palatable. 4C is a reasonable alternative.

[han]

I don't like 4C at all, I would double.

[helene_t]

han, on 2012-September-03, 03:38, said:

I don't like 4C at all, I would double.

You said in another thread that after (1♥)-x-(2♥)-x you would expect doubler to show a 4-card spades almost every time he has one. Does that apply here? Because otherwise dbl could lead to a 4-3 fit in 4♦ when a 5-3 fit in clubs is available.

[phil_20686]

I'm really surprised at all the doublers. We have a poor ten count, with the K hearts devalued as under the pre-emptor, no aces, Only one tenace over rho's likely values. What are we expecting to happen on a layout like

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Obviously I can make much better layouts for NS, but this doesnt seem abnormal at all, and on the club lead N/S can make only four tricks. If you pull its hardly better in 4c x which seems fated to be -2.

I just feel like this is not a very good hand. Partner will pass often and I just dont have a lot of defence. If e/w have any shape at all, or we have value concentration, 3hx could be making overtricks. SOmething like

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etc.

Just seems like doubling can work out badly a lot, and partner will come back to teh party with a double with 15 and a singleton heart, or so, we not too much danger in passing.

[Hanoi5]

I think double is better but if I'm feeling like a lucky punk I'd pass and bid 3NT over partner's second double.

[dake50]

I'm really surprised at all the doublers. We have a poor ten count, with the K hearts devalued as under the pre-emptor, no aces, Only one tenace over rho's likely values. What are we expecting to happen on a layout like

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I'm really surprised at these T/O Dbls.
First has a poor shape 12. Even 4144 is minimal
swayed by prime cards.
Second has only S:Qxx in the featured other Major.
Of course if these types are direct action, not
left to a reopen decision later, partner's double
is too aggressive.
Let (2H) P (3H) P be defended. Act directly when
game is on with partner's 9-10.

[Cyberyeti]

The question is if you're not going to double, does partner have to act again with a sort of strong no trump with ♥ Ax where 3N can be very good. I'd rather double on my hand than expect partner to reopen on that which will be horrible if I have a bust.

[nigel_k]

Good problem and I prefer pass, second choice 4♣.

If you double here, partner's 3♠ should be forcing. This makes life easier on so many hands and it isn't that much of a problem to just bid 3♠ when holding spades and less than a game force. It is not the same as the other thread where you were at the two level. I would not double here because game needs a huge amount from partner and it will be hard to get out in 4♣.

[the hog]

Cyberyeti, on 2012-September-03, 12:13, said:

The question is if you're not going to double, does partner have to act again with a sort of strong no trump with ♥ Ax where 3N can be very good. I'd rather double on my hand than expect partner to reopen on that which will be horrible if I have a bust.

Of course she doesn't and that is the whole point. Many, (most?), min hands will pass, regardless of shape. A second double would show a lot more here.

[JLOGIC]

I think pass is right, not sure if I'd do so irl though

[Phil]

The player holding this passed. WD. Caught his partner with a 3244 13 count.

This time.