BBO Discussion Forums: it's up to you - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

it's up to you

#1 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,130
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2012-June-03, 14:09



IMP
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#2 User is offline   CSGibson 

  • Tubthumper
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,835
  • Joined: 2007-July-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portland, OR, USA
  • Interests:Bridge, pool, financial crime. New experiences, new people.

Posted 2012-June-03, 14:30

2N - two places to play. If partner bids 3♦, I will correct to 3♥
Chris Gibson
0

#3 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2012-June-03, 15:21

If I were playing a natural 1♦ opening, as in T-Walsh or Polish Club, this would be an easy 3♥ bid. Now, as partner doesn't know what I have, I don't know what partner has, so 2NT may indeed be better. At least it's not matchpoints...
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
0

#4 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,130
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2012-June-03, 19:58

If you bid 2N partner will bid 3♣
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#5 User is offline   MickyB 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,290
  • Joined: 2004-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, England

Posted 2012-June-03, 20:14

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-June-03, 15:21, said:

If I were playing a natural 1♦ opening, as in T-Walsh or Polish Club, this would be an easy 3♥ bid. Now, as partner doesn't know what I have, I don't know what partner has, so 2NT may indeed be better. At least it's not matchpoints...


Eh? That my 1D opening may have been 4-4-3-2 precisely is irrelevant, that hand is always correcting diamonds to hearts.
0

#6 User is offline   Hanoi5 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,082
  • Joined: 2006-August-31
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santiago, Chile
  • Interests:Bridge, Video Games, Languages, Travelling.

Posted 2012-June-03, 21:26

3♥

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


My YouTube Channel
0

#7 User is offline   CSGibson 

  • Tubthumper
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,835
  • Joined: 2007-July-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portland, OR, USA
  • Interests:Bridge, pool, financial crime. New experiences, new people.

Posted 2012-June-03, 23:26

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-03, 19:58, said:

If you bid 2N partner will bid 3♣


ok, we'll play 3♣
Chris Gibson
0

#8 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,130
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2012-June-04, 00:17



How do we bid this?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#9 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2012-June-04, 01:31

3♠.
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
0

#10 User is offline   sfi 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,576
  • Joined: 2009-May-18
  • Location:Oz

Posted 2012-June-04, 01:50

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-04, 00:17, said:

How do we bid this?


Well, you can't bid a passable 3C. You need to throw in a cuebid at some point to force to game, and now seems as good a time as any. If partner bids 3NT, you can continue with 4C to offer a choice of slams. Partner should get the idea that you only have 4 of them, and bid NT with only 3.

If partner doesn't bid 3NT, then they will choose a suit like X asked for. If it's 4C, you know you have an 8 card fit (which sounds likely anyway). Getting to slam isn't much harder than just bidding it at this point.
0

#11 User is offline   Codo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,373
  • Joined: 2003-March-15
  • Location:Hamburg, Germany
  • Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball

Posted 2012-June-04, 04:42

I honestly have no way to find 6 clubs after partner bid 2 NT.
After a more pedestrian 3 club, I had found it easily.

This does not make 2 NT the worse bid in the situation you gave, just the successless one.
Kind Regards

Roland

Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
0

#12 User is offline   lowerline 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 553
  • Joined: 2004-March-29
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium

Posted 2012-June-04, 06:01

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-04, 00:17, said:



How do we bid this?


I don't understand 2nt. It is clearly not natural... I bid 6nt now as I don't know how to uncover the club fit.

Steven
1

#13 User is offline   sfi 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,576
  • Joined: 2009-May-18
  • Location:Oz

Posted 2012-June-04, 06:10

View Postlowerline, on 2012-June-04, 06:01, said:

I don't understand 2nt. It is clearly not natural... I bid 6nt now as I don't know how to uncover the club fit.


Looking at the hand, 2NT is surely showing both minors.
0

#14 User is offline   billw55 

  • enigmatic
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,757
  • Joined: 2009-July-31
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2012-June-04, 07:15

Would've been a good time for a support double over 2♠. If I don't have that agreement, I probably don't have one about 2NT either, so I am not sure what to do. Perhaps I would settle on mgoetze's 3♠, or maybe just an unimaginative 3♣.
Life is long and beautiful, if bad things happen, good things will follow.
-gwnn
0

#15 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2012-June-04, 07:51

I like 5NT pick a slam with that hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#16 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,130
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2012-June-04, 08:02

This was a hand sent to me by a friend, they ended up in a 6♥ contract -3. The club slam is the best spot but I think it is very difficult to bid.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#17 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2012-June-04, 08:36

6♣ is obviously the best contract if you know nothing about the opponents' hands. Is it still the best given the 2♠ bid, or is 6NT now better? (Also, the 2♠ bid surely increases the chances of 7♣ too, doesn't it?)
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
0

#18 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,130
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2012-June-04, 09:12

FWIW you can pitch your ♠ on the ♥ but 7♣ looses on the diamond finesse, but getting to 6 (or7) is the problem.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#19 User is offline   lowerline 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 553
  • Joined: 2004-March-29
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium

Posted 2012-June-04, 09:46

View Postsfi, on 2012-June-04, 06:10, said:

Looking at the hand, 2NT is surely showing both minors.


Then it's easy to bid 6♣... So I guess the meaning is something less helpful.

Steven
1

#20 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2012-June-04, 15:33

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-04, 09:12, said:

FWIW you can pitch your ♠ on the ♥ but 7♣ looses on the diamond finesse, but getting to 6 (or7) is the problem.

You can take the diamond finesse either way of course. ;) But my question was really: are the odds of getting the diamond finesse right high enough to bid grand, given that one of the suits is "known" to break 3-6?
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

6 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 6 guests, 0 anonymous users