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Pre-empted by partner

Poll: Pre-empted by partner (18 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. 4 Hearts (1 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  2. 4 No Trumps (5 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  3. 5 Clubs (1 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  4. 6 Clubs (9 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  5. 6 Hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 6 No Trumps (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 7 Clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 7 Hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. 7 No Trumps (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Something Else (2 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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Posted 2012-January-27, 09:06

Playing in a club pairs event, you pick up a very nice hand in 3rd seat. Unfortunately partner pre-empts with 4♣ in front of you:



How do you proceed?
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Posted 2012-January-27, 09:13

6♣.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 09:50

Is 4NT KC? If it is and I'm sure what the answers will be I'll try that. 6♣ also comes to mind, might save us from the possibility of them intervining somehow, but Vul and 1st seat partner could have ♦A and KQ of clubs, I suppose so 7 is not out of the question.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-January-27, 09:54

6♣.

I give it more pause if we're NV, but a red 4♣? I'm just bidding it.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 10:15

6♣ is normal (my pard won't have the A♦ too) but it might be fun to bid 4♦ (forcing) along the way to sandbag the opponents into a double, take a shot at the overtrick with another lead or inhibit a dive.

lho rates to be short in both round suits.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 10:24

View PostQuartic, on 2012-January-27, 09:06, said:

Playing in a club pairs event, you pick up a very nice hand in 3rd seat. Unfortunately partner pre-empts with 4♣ in front of you:



How do you proceed?

6♣.....It's no certainty but....
my partner should have 8 Clubs and NO outside A or K.
If the 8 Clubs can come in after getting a ♦-ruff in your short trump hand... then that's 12 tricks.

Best defense will be a Club lead.... but you still have a chance that the opp with the ♦A doesn't have another trump.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 10:40

4NT seems fine. Sometimes pard has a side ace and KJ 8th. I can make 7 then.

6C if I feel practical.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 10:43

Until whereagles pointed out that p could have KJ 8th and an ace I thought this was an easy 6♣ bid, maybe now I'll join the blackwood camp.

As well as the chance of taking a diamond ruff you will almost certainly have play to establish those hearts for your twelfth (and, if they don't take their ace of diamonds, potentially 13th) trick.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 14:06

4D keycard in clubs

Failing that, 4NT I suppose if partner thinks it is keycard, but I prefer to play that as natural so I have to guess and bid 6C.
(I played 4NT as natural long before I played 4D as keycard, so this is a possible problem for me)
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Posted 2012-January-27, 14:14

I agree that 4D must be better than 4NT as keycard. I can imagine grand here as well, so would not bid 6C. Cannot pard have x x Axx KJxxxxxx? I guess we have to play 4NT over a 4D opener as RKCB, as 4H and 4S are needed as natural, so I think it risks a forget to have a different KCB in each case, for me anyway.
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Posted 2012-January-28, 00:27

A ♠ lead would probably devastate our chances of setting up the ♥, and it seems most likely. If partner has pre-empted with an opening hand, I'll find another have words B-)
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Posted 2012-January-28, 01:46

Those who chose to keycard (by whatever method) will be rewarded on this hand when they find partner with 2 keycards and the ♣Q. The full hand was:



At the table I only bid 6♣, the possibility of partner having the ♦A not crossing my mind. My partner made an overtrick for an almost top, one pair finding 6NT. 7♣ would have been a complete top.

I don't personally mind partner's 4♣ bid, despite being a bit top-heavy. It looks very likely indeed that the opponents have a major-suit fit, so it feels right to put maximum pressure on.
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Posted 2012-January-28, 03:45

It wouldn't have occurred to me that partner could have ♦A either. I hate the idea of opening four of a minor with a side ace at unfavourable.
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Posted 2012-January-28, 04:16

Oh dear. I was bidding keycard to avoid being in 6C off two keycards.
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