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#1 User is offline   Charlie Yu 

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Posted 2012-January-25, 23:51

You hold:

S QJxxx
H: xx
D: xx
C: Jxxx

RHO deals.

(1S) P (2C) X
P ?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 23:53

It's matchpoints, V vs NV.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 00:11

If I am feeling adventurous I might pass. 2 doubled isn't a game. If you can hold it to 4, it is only worth 380. Vulnerable with such a misfit you are bound to go for far more then that.

They also might run.

If I am feeling wimpish, I'd bid 2.

If they redouble and it comes back to me, 2, at this point partner should have a very good idea what I have.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 00:17

2; partner's asked me to choose a red suit; I don't really care, and I don't want to encourage partner.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 00:19

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Posted 2012-January-26, 03:11

2 confidently and hope the opps rescue us.

partner will always have at least as many diamonds as hearts here.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 05:26

as ^
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Posted 2012-January-27, 04:12

I would pass. Maybe -380 saves some imps opposite -500. Partner has at most 9 red cards , I may have a trick and it is just one hand. If it goes XX pass pass I bid a confident 2 .
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Posted 2012-January-27, 06:47

opponents are in 2/1, double and 2NT both show the reds, just that double letts us play lower, I don´t think double shows any more values.

2 for me, and hope for the best
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Posted 2012-January-27, 15:35

2. I agree with Fluffy. There is zero chance they settle for +380 after a 2/1 and partner will not enter this kind of auction with a balanced hand. Probably they will double 2 but passing just makes it easier for them to decide whether to do that.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 17:55

View Postnigel_k, on 2012-January-27, 15:35, said:

2. I agree with Fluffy. There is zero chance they settle for +380 after a 2/1 and partner will not enter this kind of auction with a balanced hand. Probably they will double 2 but passing just makes it easier for them to decide whether to do that.


This is an interesting take on the situation and I think speaks volumes about the level of people we play with/against. Against people I tend to play against, I would expect half of them would be pleased to be in 2 clubs doubled and not realize until after they score it up that they are truly boned, the other half would redouble and not take any inference of my petrification of declaring when they bid their game over my 2.

With partners that I play with, my fear is that if I bid 2 initially, my partner will compete. This pass then bid 2 should be a way of screaming at him that I literally have nothing for him.

I can totally see how screaming that at partner makes it much easier for opponents to wack me at 2, but still, I would rather that then be wacked at 3.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 18:38

If the layout is as the passers think it is, don't think they think 2 is going to get redoubled? Suddenly its not so cheap. If you pass and pull a redouble, everyone knows that you are running scared and they won't run out of red cards.

I would bid 2 and hope to survive. Partner needs to have a really shapely hand for getting into this sequence at these colors.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 20:45

This was in a tournament I played from another table. The doubler has KQJxxx in D and Jxxxx in H and nothing else (Unusual NT anyone?) The player in the said position, passed for -480 which was almost a top as the other side has 12 tricks in NT. I wonder whether it's normal or just lucky.
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Posted 2012-January-27, 22:29

If your opponents aren't bright enough to turn the cube before the they score THREE overtricks.....well what can I say?
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Posted 2012-January-27, 22:57

2D and pray.
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Posted 2012-January-28, 04:41

View Postdwar0123, on 2012-January-27, 17:55, said:

This is an interesting take on the situation and I think speaks volumes about the level of people we play with/against. Against people I tend to play against, I would expect half of them would be pleased to be in 2 clubs doubled and not realize until after they score it up that they are truly boned, the other half would redouble and not take any inference of my petrification of declaring when they bid their game over my 2.



View PostCharlie Yu, on 2012-January-27, 20:45, said:

This was in a tournament I played from another table. The doubler has KQJxxx in D and Jxxxx in H and nothing else (Unusual NT anyone?) The player in the said position, passed for -480 which was almost a top as the other side has 12 tricks in NT. I wonder whether it's normal or just lucky.


You were lucky to be playing against very weak opponents.
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