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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2012-January-25, 04:43

Red vs White, butler:

♠Q9
♥KJ9xx
♦K876
♣Q5

(Pass)-???

Do you open?

(Pa)-Pa-(1♣)-X
(1♦)-1♥-(2♣)-2♥
(Pa)-???

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-January-25, 04:59

Abstain - I'd bid 2♥ the first round.

ok if I can't abstain then I bid 3♥ now? who knows.

some people play that 2♥ promises significant extras, in that case this is an easy 4♥ bid but most people play that this is just competitive (i.e. all takeout doubles with 4 hearts will bid it), in which case we still don't have a GF hand.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 05:02

I can agree with a pass in second seat, but in the second round 1 ♥? Is this forcing?
Now I am very close to jump to 4 Heart, after all, I did not do my hand any justice with the bidding so far. But I try an invitational bid with a balanced hand- whatever this is in your system, in my it is 2 NT.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 05:53

Not much to add to previous posters, I'm afraid. I agree with the initial pass - I don't really think this is an opening bid even in my Precision based system, though I could live with 1♥. But the 1♥ bid on the second round was absurd, I'm afraid, and makes it very difficult to give a sensible opinion now. Of course the 1♥ bid showed SOME values after responder bid 1♦, but you will never be able to convince partner you have anything like this hand. 2♥ couldn't possibly give partner the impression that you were stronger than you actually were given that the hand is a maximum for the initial pass.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 06:30

Disagree with 2♥ the round before. The right bid is THREE HEARTS :)
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Posted 2012-January-25, 06:52

I would open 1♥ (assuming light openers), respond 2♥ to the double, and bid something unambiguously constructive now; probably 3♦ or 3♣.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 07:03

I had a part about 3♥ the round before in my original post but I'm not so happy with it, even if it's a super invitational hand (which it isn't for many people). This hand is not that good, no shape, 2x Qx..
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:01

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-25, 06:30, said:

Disagree with 2♥ the round before. The right bid is THREE HEARTS :)

I also wondered whether 2♥ would have been enough. Without the 1♦ bid it certainly feels like you would want to do more, although perhaps it's not entirely clear what. With the 1♦ bid I'm happier that in raising the lower limit of a 1♥ bid you also implicitly raise the upper limit of a 2♥ bid slightly.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:36

2♥ or 3♥ the 2nd round depending on your hemisphere of origin.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 08:52

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-January-25, 04:43, said:

Red vs White, butler:

♠Q9
♥KJ9xx
♦K876
♣Q5

(Pass)-???

Do you open?

(Pa)-Pa-(1♣)-X
(1♦)-1♥-(2♣)-2♥
(Pa)-???



easy 1h opener.


in any event if you pass as others mention you cannot just bid 1h.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 09:20

what is the difference between 2♣->3♥ or 3♥ directly?
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Posted 2012-January-26, 05:25

Directly shows 5 cards. Via 2C shows 4 and a GF.
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