BBO Discussion Forums: Bail out or compete ? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Bail out or compete ? Mp

#1 User is offline   MrAce 

  • VIP Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,971
  • Joined: 2009-November-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Houston, TX

Posted 2011-July-03, 21:33



MP, would u pass or make another move ?
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
0

#2 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2011-July-03, 21:44

I would pass. Partner is likely to be broke here and the King of H is of very dubious value.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#3 User is offline   JLOGIC 

  • 2011 Poster of The Year winner
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,002
  • Joined: 2010-July-08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-July-03, 22:28

Bidding here would be a huge case of matchpointitis! It could work but it's pretty terrible imo.
blogging at http://www.justinlall.com
0

#4 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2011-July-04, 03:31

Well, I'm going try that terrible bid. Dbl. (ehehe)
0

#5 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2011-July-04, 04:28

 whereagles, on 2011-July-04, 03:31, said:

Well, I'm going try that terrible bid. Dbl. (ehehe)


Double is not a bid, Nuno. It is a call. You are right when you describe it as terrible, by the way.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#6 User is offline   P_Marlowe 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,249
  • Joined: 2005-March-18
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-July-04, 04:36

X.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
0

#7 User is offline   pooltuna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,814
  • Joined: 2009-July-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Orleans

Posted 2011-July-04, 05:54

 the hog, on 2011-July-03, 21:44, said:

I would pass. Partner is likely to be broke here and the King of H is of very dubious value.


Are you saying this because it is in ♥? Certainly positionally it is well placed or is there something about the diagram I am missing. IMV it looks to be behind the opening caller and 5+ cards in the ♥ suit.
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw
0

#8 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2011-July-04, 06:07

 the hog, on 2011-July-04, 04:28, said:

Double is not a bid, Nuno. It is a call. You are right when you describe it as terrible, by the way.


ye legalist :P
0

#9 User is offline   OleBerg 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Joined: 2008-April-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Copenhagen
  • Interests:Model-Railways.

Posted 2011-July-04, 06:18

Pass is the "book"-bid. So I'll make it whenever I am in a "book"-situation. That would require:

- Playing in a relatively stong, relatively homogenous field.
- Playing with a partner, I know would have prebalanced over 2♥ on a lot of hands. (Like ♠Q10xx/♥xxx/♦Qxx/♣xxx)
- Playing competent opponents, who will catch me appr. as often as any other strong pair, and who are not known to over-compete.

Being all white, the situation cries for competition beyond 2♥, and I would back in with a double at the slightest excuse.

After all, I don't hold:

♠ J32
♥ K9
♦ J982
♣ AQ92

a hand I would also make an initial TO-double with.

Changing just their vulnerabilety to red, I would be much more hesitant, as the occasional +200 will yield a fine score, and even +100 will beat the +90 I can easily imagine being out there on some boards.
_____________________________________

Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.

Best Regards Ole Berg

_____________________________________

We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

Gnasher
0

#10 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2011-July-04, 06:40

I don't see why the heart king is a dubious value either, it is useful on offense as well as defense. It seems like a clear pass though.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#11 User is offline   nige1 

  • 5-level belongs to me
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,128
  • Joined: 2004-August-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Glasgow Scotland
  • Interests:Poems Computers

Posted 2011-July-04, 07:27


MrAce asks
MP, would u pass or make another move ?

At MP, it's a close decision
Double = 10, Pass = 9
The downside of double is that opponents may be trapping
or partner may think you've got a stronger hand.
The upside is that partner may have a five card minor. For example
eg ♠ xx ♥ xxx ♦ Qxx ♣ Kxxxx

Guthrie.tech
0

#12 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2011-July-04, 08:12

 nige1, on 2011-July-04, 07:27, said:

The upside is that partner may have a five card minor. For example
eg ♠ xx ♥ xxx ♦ Qxx ♣ Kxxxx


Uhuh.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#13 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2011-July-04, 08:27

If partner had xx xxx Qxx Kxxxx, wouldn't he have bid 3♣ already? He is also non-vulnerable and playing matchpoints.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#14 User is offline   dake50 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,211
  • Joined: 2006-April-22

Posted 2011-July-04, 15:23

Surely this is not a "I got a trick better than my last T/O dbl"
which a repeated double should be.
Do we have a 3m contract that is close?
To push them to 3H, but not discovering well-placed stuff for 4H?
Or even a 4-4 2S on nothing plus my 14?
Naw! Too small targets.
0

#15 User is offline   peachy 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,056
  • Joined: 2007-November-19
  • Location:Pacific Time

Posted 2011-July-04, 16:18

I Pass. Dbling again should show perfect shape and/or no wastage in hearts. Sometimes one just has to let them play in their known 8-card fit on the two level, even MPs.
0

#16 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2011-July-04, 17:33

 gnasher, on 2011-July-04, 08:27, said:

If partner had xx xxx Qxx Kxxxx, wouldn't he have bid 3♣ already? He is also non-vulnerable and playing matchpoints.


I would. But many wouldn't, so I'm not sure you can make that inference.
0

#17 User is offline   Tataie 

  • PipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 35
  • Joined: 2010-January-25

Posted 2011-July-04, 18:29

gnasher said:

If partner had xx xxx Qxx Kxxxx, wouldn't he have bid 3♣ already? He is also non-vulnerable and playing matchpoints.

I wouldnt have bid 3♣
My answer is if the have in system a better support call like the Bromad 2♦ showing constructive fit I would x
if not I will pray a bit and still x. :unsure:
0

#18 User is offline   MrAce 

  • VIP Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,971
  • Joined: 2009-November-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Houston, TX

Posted 2011-July-04, 22:59

I doubled, passing wins.


In fact pd had 5-5 minors, stiff ♥, xx ♠ with good 0 hcp ! I pushed them to 4♥ which was cold. LHO's 2♥ was loaded, 5♥ 332 10 hcp !
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
0

#19 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2011-July-05, 01:12

 MrAce, on 2011-July-04, 22:59, said:

I doubled, passing wins.


In fact pd had 5-5 minors, stiff ♥, xx ♠ with good 0 hcp ! I pushed them to 4♥ which was cold. LHO's 2♥ was loaded, 5♥ 332 10 hcp !


No surprise here!
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#20 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2011-July-05, 02:51

Discipline advocates pass.
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

8 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 8 guests, 0 anonymous users