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Read through Lawrence's book on balancing which recommends cue-bidding with a very offensive (likely single-suited) hand. The cue bid is almost GF.
E.g. 1C P P 2C is not majors but perhaps a very strong spade hand.
In his structure, dbl and bid a suit might show a hand with more defense or strains and a jump overcall would show a good offensive hand (but not as good as the cue bid)
So I'm wondering, is this still a pretty common treatment or do most people use cue bids for Michaels?
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Posted 2010-November-16, 16:05
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Posted 2010-November-16, 19:32
1. I've never heard of this treatment.
2. I would be willing to consider it.
3. Undiscussed, I would assume Michaels.
2. I would be willing to consider it.
3. Undiscussed, I would assume Michaels.
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Posted 2010-November-16, 22:21
I'm starting to think his use of the cue bid is a holdover from the days when the cue bid showed a big hand. Seems like in the balancing (4th) seat we have already have more tools to show 1-suited hands than we do in direct seat. We can jump overcall with an intermediate hand for instance....as well as make a simple overcall and double. So why give yet one more additional tool for these sorts of hands...and at the expense of being able to show 2-suited hands?
I always thought of Lawrence as the authority on Balancing. Are their other books out there on the subject?
I always thought of Lawrence as the authority on Balancing. Are their other books out there on the subject?
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Posted 2010-November-17, 03:05
This book was written thirty years ago, so it's no surprise that it's out of date. Even Stayman has changed enormously since 1980.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-November-17, 04:17
My partner and I have the meta-agreement never to start with a double, when we have a single-suited strong hand. We solve this in various ways in various places. In fourth hand we include these hands in Michaels.
I woulnd't expect a pick-up expert partner to be in on this.
I woulnd't expect a pick-up expert partner to be in on this.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2010-November-17, 10:08
straube, on 2010-November-16, 16:05, said:
Read through Lawrence's book on balancing which recommends cue-bidding with a very offensive (likely single-suited) hand. The cue bid is almost GF.
E.g. 1C P P 2C is not majors but perhaps a very strong spade hand.
In his structure, dbl and bid a suit might show a hand with more defense or strains and a jump overcall would show a good offensive hand (but not as good as the cue bid)
So I'm wondering, is this still a pretty common treatment or do most people use cue bids for Michaels?
E.g. 1C P P 2C is not majors but perhaps a very strong spade hand.
In his structure, dbl and bid a suit might show a hand with more defense or strains and a jump overcall would show a good offensive hand (but not as good as the cue bid)
So I'm wondering, is this still a pretty common treatment or do most people use cue bids for Michaels?
We've discussed this elsewhere. No one plays this that I am aware of, and he doesn't discuss follow-ups. Don't play it!
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Posted 2010-November-17, 11:05
As Phil, be clear on follow-ups.
What Mich-Q would rebid? Few! Rest are Q-bid strong.
What Unu-2NT rebids? Rest are Q-bid strong.
Theorists have defined these auctions for nigh these 30 years as ML suggested.
They are rare -- so unheard.
What Mich-Q would rebid? Few! Rest are Q-bid strong.
What Unu-2NT rebids? Rest are Q-bid strong.
Theorists have defined these auctions for nigh these 30 years as ML suggested.
They are rare -- so unheard.
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