[matmat]

♠2 ♥AQ7 ♦AKQ9 ♣AJ972

unfav, MP, third seat

(P) - P - (2♥) - ?

[jdonn]

Normal 3NT bid.

[rogerclee]

3N, some people play 3N here must have a trick source, but this hand is a good example of why that doesn't make any sense.

[nickf]

rogerclee, on Feb 17 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

3N, some people play 3N here must have a trick source, but this hand is a good example of why that doesn't make any sense.

Well I dont agree it doesnt make any sense.

♠2 ♥AQ2 ♦AKQ2 ♣AJ432

is essentially the same hand but with a much lower potential source of tricks and I dont think 3NT is nearly as attractive now.

nickf
sydney

[rogerclee]

nickf, on Feb 17 2009, 03:16 AM, said:

♠2 ♥AQ2 ♦AKQ2 ♣AJ432

I would still call this hand a normal 3NT bid.

Anyway what I meant was that people often say they expect something like a semi-solid 6 card suit and some outside values. This is really nonsense, since you are leaving yourself with no attractive bid when you have an offshape hand with lots of values.

[Codo]

I think "the people" mean that you COULD have a solid minor or a very different hand from what you expect from a normal NT overcall.
I never heard someone claim that you must have such a hand for a 3 NT bid.

[helene_t]

Codo, on Feb 17 2009, 12:00 PM, said:

I think "the people" mean that you COULD have a solid minor or very different hand from waht you ecpect froma normal NT overcall.
I never heard someone claim that you must have such a hand for a 3 NT bid.

Maybe "the people" are referring to 3NT overcalls over a 1-level opening.

[Fluffy]

I don't know if 3NT is good or bad, but there is no alternative, so no need to think any further.

[andy_h]

Routine 3NT yes indeed.

[mtvesuvius]

Yep, 3NT. Over a 1 level opening, 3NT is gamblingish, however, over a pre-empt, 3NT tends to be stronger, with no really long suits.

[neilkaz]

Another vote for 3NT..If we get beat in ♠ that's life. If PD is broke, oh well.

[kenrexford]

As a matter of semantics, this hand has quite a few trick sources. They just happen to be mostly in the form of honors.

I agree that the CW I understand is that 3NT in this sequence is "flexible," meaning that it is a call that covers a lot of not-sure-what-to-do-strong-player-hand problems.

[matmat]

for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter...

let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at:

AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx

pass or 4S?

[jdonn]

matmat, on Feb 17 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter...

let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at:

AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx

pass or 4S?

Well you have biased us so too late. =P It should pass though, granting that 4♠ or 6♠ could be the best contract. We might just have solid diamonds, and even if we don't have a running suit then the fact we bid 3NT without doubling first sure increases the likelihood we are short in spades.

If partner were going to a 6 card suit there it would have to be one in no need of support.

[skjaeran]

matmat, on Feb 17 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter...

let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at:

AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx

pass or 4S?

Ehh, as a passed hand, I can't hold this hand....

[matmat]

skaeran, on Feb 17 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

matmat, on Feb 17 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter...

let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at:

AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx

pass or 4S?

Ehh, as a passed hand, I can't hold this hand....

red/white. second seat. we like to have spots

[mtvesuvius]

matmat, on Feb 17 2009, 01:47 PM, said:

skaeran, on Feb 17 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

matmat, on Feb 17 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter...

let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at:

AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx

pass or 4S?

Ehh, as a passed hand, I can't hold this hand....

red/white. second seat. we like to have spots

1. Who is we?
2. This is an easy pre-empt
3. Pass.

[Fluffy]

If 4♠ is a good alternative is a guess, for a jump bid on 3NT I'd say no, if partner overcalled 3NT over a 3 level preempt I think I would bid 4♠.

The reason is that I like to double then bid 3NT with 20 blaanced over a weak 2.

[Cascade]

Fluffy, on Feb 18 2009, 01:16 PM, said:

If 4♠ is a good alternative is a guess, for a jump bid on 3NT I'd say no, if partner overcalled 3NT over a 3 level preempt I think I would bid 4♠.

The reason is that I like to double then bid 3NT with 20 blaanced over a weak 2.

For me double and bid shows more interest in the other major.

When I bid 3NT it is very unlikely I have even three spades unless I have a very NT oriented hand.

[Elianna]

We didn't have the 7 of spades. Then again, I held this hand (not playing with matmat) and preempted. How could I not when partner and I were playing multi for the first time?