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The actual hand you will hold is not described yet.
Partner opens, fourth seat, 1♥. You respond 1♠. The opponents are silent throughout, BTW. Partner rebids 2♣. You raise to 3♣. Partner bids 4♦.
P-P-P-1♥
P-1♠-P-2♣
P-3♣-P-4♦
P-?
So, imagine the following features to your possible hand at this point, contextually speaking.
♠: You will hold 4-5 spades. You might have the King of spades.
♥: You will likely hold 0-2. You may or may not have the King or Queen of hearts.
♦: Your diamond holding is unlimited.
♣: You will likely have 4 or 5 clubs, with or without the Ace.
Assume these general parameters. What is going on? What might partner have? What hand can you not have within these parameters (other than the obvious -- something with which you'f open), because it is either too weak or too strong for 3♣ at that point.
Having addressed all of this, what would you expect to be the meaning or reason or offer of message or whatever to 4♥, 4♠, 4NT, 5♣, or any other pass or call?
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Posted 2008-June-07, 20:49
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Posted 2008-June-08, 02:24
I expect partner to be 2-5-0-5 or something like that, with a hand not strong enough to make a GF 3♣ jump the previous round. After I supported clubs his hand is much better.
4♥= Hx
4♠=A/K or better
4NT= RKCB for clubs
5♣= sign off, minimum and no slam aspirations
I consider 4♦ forcing to at least 5♣.
4♥= Hx
4♠=A/K or better
4NT= RKCB for clubs
5♣= sign off, minimum and no slam aspirations
I consider 4♦ forcing to at least 5♣.
Kind regards,
Harald
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Posted 2008-June-08, 02:43
skaeran, on Jun 8 2008, 03:24 AM, said:
I expect partner to be 2-5-0-5 or something like that
I bet he's not!
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Posted 2008-June-08, 03:38
kenrexford, on Jun 7 2008, 09:49 PM, said:
The actual hand you will hold is not described yet.
Partner opens, fourth seat, 1♥. You respond 1♠. The opponents are silent throughout, BTW. Partner rebids 2♣. You raise to 3♣. Partner bids 4♦.
P-P-P-1♥
P-1♠-P-2♣
P-3♣-P-4♦
P-?
So, imagine the following features to your possible hand at this point, contextually speaking.
♠: You will hold 4-5 spades. You might have the King of spades.
♥: You will likely hold 0-2. You may or may not have the King or Queen of hearts.
♦: Your diamond holding is unlimited.
♣: You will likely have 4 or 5 clubs, with or without the Ace.
Assume these general parameters. What is going on? What might partner have? What hand can you not have within these parameters (other than the obvious -- something with which you'f open), because it is either too weak or too strong for 3♣ at that point.
Having addressed all of this, what would you expect to be the meaning or reason or offer of message or whatever to 4♥, 4♠, 4NT, 5♣, or any other pass or call?
Partner opens, fourth seat, 1♥. You respond 1♠. The opponents are silent throughout, BTW. Partner rebids 2♣. You raise to 3♣. Partner bids 4♦.
P-P-P-1♥
P-1♠-P-2♣
P-3♣-P-4♦
P-?
So, imagine the following features to your possible hand at this point, contextually speaking.
♠: You will hold 4-5 spades. You might have the King of spades.
♥: You will likely hold 0-2. You may or may not have the King or Queen of hearts.
♦: Your diamond holding is unlimited.
♣: You will likely have 4 or 5 clubs, with or without the Ace.
Assume these general parameters. What is going on? What might partner have? What hand can you not have within these parameters (other than the obvious -- something with which you'f open), because it is either too weak or too strong for 3♣ at that point.
Having addressed all of this, what would you expect to be the meaning or reason or offer of message or whatever to 4♥, 4♠, 4NT, 5♣, or any other pass or call?
1) assuming any established partnership.....4d will be rkc for clubs..
2) assuming any pick up....expert ...no agreements partnership......I have real doubts i can stop below 6c.
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Posted 2008-June-08, 03:53
I expect he's 2515, 2605 or (yuck) 2506.
4♦ sets clubs as trumps, so (rarely for me) I think 4♥ is a cuebid rather than a possible contract. Given how many trumps we have, I think it OK for responder to do this with a singleton.
4♠ would also be a cuebid, showing either the ace or the king, and 4NT would be RKCB.
4♦ sets clubs as trumps, so (rarely for me) I think 4♥ is a cuebid rather than a possible contract. Given how many trumps we have, I think it OK for responder to do this with a singleton.
4♠ would also be a cuebid, showing either the ace or the king, and 4NT would be RKCB.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-08, 09:22
For me its exclusion keycard.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-June-08, 11:52
I left one thing out. 4♦ is definitely a splinter, because we use the cheapest out-of-focus major as RKCB.
That said, I'm not sure that this is a RKCB auction anyway. But, I was also curious whether people would view this as a RKCB sequence or a cue sequence in the follow-up.
That said, I'm not sure that this is a RKCB auction anyway. But, I was also curious whether people would view this as a RKCB sequence or a cue sequence in the follow-up.
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Posted 2008-June-13, 08:17
With a stiff diamond and 2 or 3s i would bid 3S, with a stiff S and 2 or 3D i would bid 3D. So jump is showing a void for me.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-June-13, 08:23
benlessard, on Jun 13 2008, 09:17 AM, said:
With a stiff diamond and 2 or 3s i would bid 3S, with a stiff S and 2 or 3D i would bid 3D. So jump is showing a void for me.
God, I hope that's standard.
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Posted 2008-June-13, 08:25
kenrexford, on Jun 8 2008, 06:52 PM, said:
I left one thing out. 4♦ is definitely a splinter, because we use the cheapest out-of-focus major as RKCB.
That said, I'm not sure that this is a RKCB auction anyway. But, I was also curious whether people would view this as a RKCB sequence or a cue sequence in the follow-up.
That said, I'm not sure that this is a RKCB auction anyway. But, I was also curious whether people would view this as a RKCB sequence or a cue sequence in the follow-up.
Well, I wouldn't because I
i) in general don't play exclusion*
ii) don't play RKCB at all when a minor has been agreed
*I really have never seen the point of playing exclusion. Which is more likely:
1. You want to show a void in a suit and ask partner if he has a suitable hand for slam
2. All you want to know is partner's keycards outside one particular suit
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Posted 2008-June-13, 08:36
Another benefit to Exclusion is that you can bid it instead of 4NT with Ax or Axx, thereby discouraging a threatening lead.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-13, 09:17
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*I really have never seen the point of playing exclusion. Which is more likely:
1. You want to show a void in a suit and ask partner if he has a suitable hand for slam
2. All you want to know is partner's keycards outside one particular suit
1. You want to show a void in a suit and ask partner if he has a suitable hand for slam
2. All you want to know is partner's keycards outside one particular suit
After most of the responses over 4D exclusion you can still make a general slam try. IMO most cuebidding sequence lead nowhere when you have a void.
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God, I hope that's standard.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-June-13, 09:28
"pard, bid 6 if you got nothing in spades"
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