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get in there, red vs white?

Poll: Just two options (43 member(s) have cast votes)

Just two options

  1. Pass (5 votes [11.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.63%

  2. Double (38 votes [88.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 88.37%

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Posted 2008-June-02, 03:38

You are dealer at IMPS red vs white, and hold KJTx T9 AQx JTxx. Well, so you don't usually open balanced 11 counts in your partnership, and pass.
LHO opens a weak NT, and RHO bids 2♥ to play. Do you double for takeout?
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Posted 2008-June-02, 03:43

i double, but i might change my mind tomorrow :/
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Posted 2008-June-02, 03:44

Double. I can't have a more suitable hand in context. For all I know, we could still have a game on. Partner should not double 1NT with a random, balanced 14 or 15 count.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 03:44

Have to double this one, we could too easily get stolen from and there could also be a double partscore swing. If I were not a passed hand I would be in doubt, but not as a passed hand.

Hopefully 2N from p is scrambling and not Lebensohl.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 03:57

Double has so many more ways to win than pass that I think it is obvious.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 04:17

All day every day, we are even a passed hand so partner won't overbid.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:10

Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:15

Pass.

But it depends on the method we are playing
against a weak NT.

In my partnership partner would be able to go
in with most suitable 2-suiters, even with modest
strength, he did not go in, so he does not hold
such a hand.

Lacking this interference, it is close, I will most
likely pass anyway, but wont feel happy.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:22

Yes. In this auction we're both effectively in the balancing position, so I'd double with less than this.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-03, 01:57

han, on Jun 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand?

I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 02:00

cherdano, on Jun 3 2008, 02:57 AM, said:

han, on Jun 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand?

I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising.

You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising?
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Posted 2008-June-03, 02:02

cherdano, on Jun 2 2008, 04:38 AM, said:

You are dealer at IMPS red vs white, and hold KJTx T9 AQx JTxx. Well, so you don't usually open balanced 11 counts in your partnership, and pass.
LHO opens a weak NT, and RHO bids 2♥ to play. Do you double for takeout?

1) given i pass with these hands...
2) easy double now ty......
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Posted 2008-June-03, 07:11

Double.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 07:13

mike777, on Jun 3 2008, 09:02 AM, said:

1) given i pass with these hands...

I thought you played Roth/Stone? :)
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Posted 2008-June-03, 07:15

I would have opened 1♣ also. But, given the agreements, I double now.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 07:29

Jlall, on Jun 3 2008, 03:00 AM, said:

cherdano, on Jun 3 2008, 02:57 AM, said:

han, on Jun 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand?

I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising.

You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising?

I find passing THIS balanced 11 quite surprising!
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Posted 2008-June-03, 08:03

Jlall, on Jun 3 2008, 03:00 AM, said:

cherdano, on Jun 3 2008, 02:57 AM, said:

han, on Jun 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand?

I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising.

You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising?

I find passing this balanced 11-count count suprising.

[Edit: seriously did not see Josh's post above]
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-June-03, 08:10

han, on Jun 3 2008, 09:03 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 3 2008, 03:00 AM, said:

cherdano, on Jun 3 2008, 02:57 AM, said:

han, on Jun 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Agree with double but.. why exactly did I not open this hand?

I have no idea, but one of the players who held this hand at the USBF trials passed this hand in the opening seat, and passed again over 2♥. I found both decisions quite surprising.

You guys really find passing a balanced 11 surprising?

I find passing this balanced 11-count count suprising.

[Edit: seriously did not see Josh's post above]

Haven't decided whether to hire Ken or Mike as my lawyer yet, but you'll be hearing from me.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 08:42

In this spot, I do not count points. I check whether my values looks usefull. These do.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 09:24

Of course I balance with an X. I really cannot pass a better hand in opening seat, I have 4♠ and certainly have tolerance if PD bids a minor and we may be on for 4♠ or even 3NT if PD stops ♥ and has a 13 count or so, that couldn't bid over 1NT.
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