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Continue past game? Jacoby 2Nt auction

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Posted 2008-June-01, 21:00

Scoring: IMP

1♠ - 2NT*
3♥** - 4♠***
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* - Jacoby 2NT
** - Heart Shortness
*** - No slam interest

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Posted 2008-June-01, 21:05

How much does 4 spades say in your partnership? Do you play a serious or frivolous 3NT? Does it say that your hand got significantly worse hearing about heart shortness? If it does, then I'm respecting partner's sign-off.
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Posted 2008-June-01, 21:09

Pass.
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Posted 2008-June-01, 21:17

You have described most of your hand. Since partner bid 4♠, it's partner's fault if slam is cold.
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Posted 2008-June-01, 21:59

Pass. Partner's told you to go away and I will oblige to it =)
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Posted 2008-June-01, 23:17

CSGibson, on Jun 1 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

Do you play a serious or frivolous 3NT?

This.

This should not be "ooh, I just had a minimum Jacoby and don't want to cue bid". This should show "eek, my hand sucks now".

Hence, pass is ez.

If not playing some sort of serious/non serious 3 NT after Jacoby, that is a problem.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 00:37

I don't think pass is clear at all, we need almost nothing for slam. Disagree that we have described our hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 00:58

han, on Jun 2 2008, 01:37 AM, said:

I don't think pass is clear at all, we need almost nothing for slam. Disagree that we have described our hand.

Lol, thank you. Was waiting for someone to say this. I'm sure no one would ever jump to 4S over 3H with xxxx KQxx QJx Ax :D
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Posted 2008-June-02, 01:07

I pass uncomfortably. I also feel it is far from clear, but that it's probably right.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 01:09

Uhuh Josh, we all know you wanted to write "pass wtp".
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 01:20

han, on Jun 2 2008, 02:09 AM, said:

Uhuh Josh, we all know you wanted to write "pass wtp".

Lol no I didn't agree but wanted to see if I was nuts, that's why I waited before replying till I had confirmation!
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Posted 2008-June-02, 01:36

5H.

In other words: yes.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 02:02

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This should not be "ooh, I just had a minimum Jacoby and don't want to cue bid". This should show "eek, my hand sucks now".

Hence, pass is ez.

If not playing some sort of serious/non serious 3 NT after Jacoby, that is a problem.
Agree. I wont say easy but its a clear pass for me. Partner may easily have xxx in a minor wich make 5 too high.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 02:03

Jlall, on Jun 2 2008, 07:58 AM, said:

I'm sure no one would ever jump to 4S over 3H with xxxx KQxx QJx Ax :rolleyes:

Unfortunately he'd also jump to 4♠ with Qxxx KQx Qxx Axx or QJxx AQx Qxx Qxx, so the five level isn't at all safe. Added to that, if I do bid on, getting to slam only when it's right is going to need some quite fine judgement from partner. I'd pass.

Maybe the methods need attention? Over 3♥, you have 3♠, 3NT and an immediate cue-bid to show different levels of interest. A misfitting minimum is a very common hand-type; even if slam is less likely opposite this, there's a case for this hand-type bidding something lower than 4♠.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-02, 02:25

There is an old saying, is there not, that if partner has a perfect min then you're worth a slam try.

Partner could have this less than perfect hand Qxxx, QJx, Ax, Axxx. ♠Q which we possibly don't even need, and ♥QJ wasted, yet there still seems to be play for 6. This hand would be consistent with the 4♠ signoff.

If you never go down in 5, you aren't looking for 6 enough was what my bridge teacher taught.

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Posted 2008-June-02, 02:40

NickRW, on Jun 2 2008, 09:25 AM, said:

There is an old saying, is there not, that if partner has a perfect min then you're worth a slam try.

Partner could have this less than perfect hand Qxxx, QJx, Ax, Axxx. ♠Q which we possibly don't even need, and ♥QJ wasted, yet there still seems to be play for 6. This hand would be consistent with the 4♠ signoff.

If you never go down in 5, you aren't looking for 6 enough was what my bridge teacher taught.

Nick

That hand is not a 4S sign-off, it has both minor suit aces.

I also think this is pretty close, we can be off at the 5-level here.
It's actually quite a good hand for playing 3NT as natural: 3NT as a contract suggestion over 3H tells us partner has a really horrible heart holding, 4S just says he's mininum unsuitable for the auction so far, which is not quite as bad.

Another good hand for a simulation.... except that there's clearly some disagreement involved in what constitutes a 4S bid on this auction.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 02:44

NickRW, on Jun 2 2008, 01:25 AM, said:

Partner could have this less than perfect hand Qxxx, QJx, Ax, Axxx.

Playing with someone who is so bad at slam bidding that he would bid 4♠ with this, I agree, I should just bid 6♠.
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NickRW, on Jun 2 2008, 03:25 AM, said:

If you never go down in 5, you aren't looking for 6 enough was what my bridge teacher taught.

Nick

Really? I've heard this one for "if they never make a doubled contract..." but not really for uncontested slam bidding :rolleyes:
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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:16

Personally I hate going down at the five level and am very reluctant to go past game when the five level isn't safe, but I suppose that's a bit irrational. If bidding will get you to a making slam more often than it will lead to going one down in something, you should do it. I'm not sure whether this hand would pass that test.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:18

Saw this one last night and I think bidding on is very clear.

If the 5 level is too high, well, pard doesn't have his call and/or the system is broke.
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