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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:14


Dealer: South
Vul: EW
Scoring: IMP
♠ J8
♥ T3
♦ K4
♣ AQJT974


West North East South

 -     -     -     ?

you are in first seat


1 or 3 and why please
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:20

3♣ for me. Partner will expect more for a 1♣ then 2♣ rebid. Also shuts out the opponents. May go -1, but hey that's life.


[EDIT] sorry didnt see it was in first seat fav vul. 1♣ then 2♣ as p will not expect so much from a fav vul 3♣.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:21

1♣ for me. I have too many values for 3♣ first seat. 3rd seat I would probably preempt, since I know I'm not screwing with partner.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:24

The hand looks much more like a pree than a 1♣, so I'll definitely PREE.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:31

Normal 1C, I expect unanimous answers.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:33

1♣ for me. I'm fairly confident of my answer, though I suspect you're really trying to solicit the opinions of those who know what they're doing.

:)
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:36

This is an opening hand. 1♣.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:36

1C.

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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:38

1♣. Very close to WTP? status for me.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:40

han, on Apr 23 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

Normal 1C, I expect unanimous answers.

This is a normal 1C opening. If you expect unanimous answers you are sadly naive.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:42

To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣ ty :) What would make it a 3♣ opener?
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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:50

jillybean2, on Apr 23 2008, 09:42 AM, said:

To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣  ty  :)

Hi,

one reason is the vulnerability.

Assuming I got it right, we are green vs. red.

Depending on your preemptive style, the hand is
simply too strong for a green vs. red prempt.
A classical green preemt, would promise a hand
which goes at most 3 down.
And some would promise a hand, which goes at
most 4 down, if you are green vs. red.

The hand will make at least 6 tricks in clubs, so you
are -3, and this is conservative counting, better
counting would be -2.5
If your preempt style would promise -4, you are 1
or 1.5 tricks too heavy.

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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:52

It's 1C because it is an opening hand, 3C shows a hand too weak to open at the 1-level. Take away the king and I would open 3C.

The vulnerability has nothing to do with this.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-23, 08:58

jillybean2, on Apr 23 2008, 10:42 AM, said:

To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣  ty  :)  What would make it a 3♣ opener?

To explain why this is an opening hand: if partner has Qxxx QJx Axxx Kx, you're cold for 3NT. He won't bid it opposite your preempt because most of the time youll have a hand like x Kx xxx QJ10xxxx
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Posted 2008-April-23, 09:01

<snip>
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Posted 2008-April-23, 09:02

easy 1♣, opening this preemptively is a good way to miss a game
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Posted 2008-April-23, 09:02

Apollo81, on Apr 23 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Apr 23 2008, 10:42 AM, said:

To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣  ty  :)  What would make it a 3♣ opener?

To explain why this is an opening hand: if partner has Qxxx QJx Axxx Kx, you're cold for 3NT. He won't bid it opposite your preempt because most of the time youll have a hand like x Kx xxx QJ10xxxx

Yep..PD won't expect such playing strength for a green vs red preempt and I do believe the given hand has enough playing strength to open 1♣ rebid 2♣ and then if the auction demands, rebid 3♣.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 09:04

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Posted 2008-April-23, 09:08

I'm going to defend 3♣ on grounds that the benefits of preempting opps compensate for the occasional loss of a game. I can't present any data on this. It's merely a feeling... like most things about bridge in fact, lol.

Anyway, in 2nd seat it's better to open 1♣ because the chance that pard has some points is higher. You don't want to preempt partner (unless you've agreed 2nd seat preempts look like this).
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Posted 2008-April-23, 10:08

Not only too good for 3♣, but too much defense. This is a wtp 1♣ to me.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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