[jillybean]

Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ A85 ♥ J3 ♦ Q76 ♣ Q8632

West North East South

 -     -     Pass  Pass
 1♥    Pass  Pass  ? 


2♣ anyone?

[effervesce]

2♣, X and pass all seem reasonable. In passout seat, add 3 points to your hand. If you would bid then, then bid, otherwise pass. Thus, when partner responds to your balancing bid, he'll take that into account and subtract 3 when responding.

[jillybean]

effervesce, on Apr 21 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

2♣, X and pass all seem reasonable. In passout seat, add 3 points to your hand. If you would bid then, then bid, otherwise pass. Thus, when partner responds to your balancing bid, he'll take that into account and subtract 3 when responding.

ummm?

[655321]

I would double, but the hand is not lovely, and pass is very reasonable.

2♣ is not really an option here - if you decide to bid, double has to be better than 2♣.

[cherdano]

I double, and would not consider anything else.

[jdonn]

2♣ is certainly no option. Double seems reasonable. I don't hate pass I just think it's inferior.

[the hog]

Double. Would pass if the Ds and the S were swopped.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would go with 2C.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Apr 22 2008, 12:45 AM, said:

effervesce, on Apr 21 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

2♣,  X and pass all seem reasonable. In passout seat, add 3 points to your hand. If you would bid then, then bid, otherwise pass. Thus, when partner responds to your balancing bid, he'll take that into account and subtract 3 when responding.

ummm?

He said, that you are allowed to borrow a king
from partner, and if you overcall 2C, you would
like to borrow the king of clubs.

I have to check the laws to see, if I am allowed to borrow
a king of a specific suit, last time I overlooked such a
passage, but this means nothing.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

Another terrible bid, I did bid 2♣, partner with KJ,AQTx,Axx,xxxx jumped to 3nt.
2♣ didnt sit too well but neither did X with Axx and Qxx.

[rogerclee]

cherdano, on Apr 21 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

I double, and would not consider anything else.

That.

[effervesce]

Why all these votes for double? Aren't partner's chances for having 5 spades practically nil given no 1♠overcall?? I'll take the 8+ card fit over a 7 card fit anyday thankyou very much....

As for partner's bid to 3NT - if he/she followed the rule of subtracting 3 points when responding to a balancing bid, 2NT was the right bid (though 3NT is reasonable given the upgrading of the heart honors).

[Codo]

jillybean2, on Apr 22 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

Another terrible bid, I did bid 2♣, partner with KJ,AQTx,Axx,xxxx jumped to 3nt.
2♣ didnt sit too well but neither did X with Axx and Qxx.

If pd thinks that his hand is worth a 3 NT bid after your balancing, he should have bid 1 NT at his first opportunity.

If he think that his hand is worth 14 HCPs, he should bid 2 NT now, quite easy.


Double and 2 Club both had resulted in 2 NT, so no difference here.

If I reopen with such a weak hand, I expect partner to have around 14 HCPs. This makes the chance nil that pd has 5 Spades and decreases the chances that he has even four. So, I have no clue why a double should work better then 2 Club with the given hand.

So I had chosen the same "terrible" bid you chose.

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Apr 22 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

Another terrible bid, I did bid 2♣, partner with KJ,AQTx,Axx,xxxx jumped to 3nt.
2♣ didnt sit too well but neither did X with Axx and Qxx.

One may or may not bid 2C, but 3NT is ...

The first thing your partner should realize is,
that you did not open 1C and 3C, i.e. you will
have at most 11HCPs and depending on your
preemptive style you wont have 7 clubs, maybe
not even 6 clubs.
I.e. the partnership will have at most 25HCP
between them, (+ a 9 card fit in clubs).
Add to this the fact, that they will play at the 1
level if you pass, partner should realize, that
because of this you will try hard to find a bit.

The 2nd thing, you are allowed to borrow a king,
i.e. he should take away a king from his hand,
and make a move according to what is left,
and what is left is an invite.

Partner does not need to know about the 2nd point,
he does only need to listen to the auction carefully.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Apr 22 2008, 01:05 AM, said:

Double. Would pass if the Ds and the S were swopped.

Ok I'll bite. I don't understand this reasoning at all

[cherdano]

Uh, what is up with the criticism 3N? This hand will make 3N+1 (or +2) opposite ♣AKxxxx and out, and opposite the actual hand I certainly want to be in 3N.
I guess 2N is the bid for hcp-counter-and-king-subtracters, but if you actually count tricks on the likely heart lead...

[ArtK78]

jillybean2, on Apr 22 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

Another terrible bid, I did bid 2♣, partner with KJ,AQTx,Axx,xxxx jumped to 3nt.
2♣ didnt sit too well but neither did X with Axx and Qxx.

Partner should not bid 3NT. You balanced. I fully understand 2NT, but 3NT is just too much.

[han]

cherdano, on Apr 22 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

Uh, what is up with the criticism 3N? This hand will make 3N+1 (or +2) opposite ♣AKxxxx and out, and opposite the actual hand I certainly want to be in 3N.
I guess 2N is the bid for hcp-counter-and-king-subtracters, but if you actually count tricks on the likely heart lead...

Agree with this, 2C was at fault, not 3NT.

[jdonn]

han, on Apr 22 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

cherdano, on Apr 22 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

Uh, what is up with the criticism 3N? This hand will make 3N+1 (or +2) opposite ♣AKxxxx and out, and opposite the actual hand I certainly want to be in 3N.
I guess 2N is the bid for hcp-counter-and-king-subtracters, but if you actually count tricks on the likely heart lead...

Agree with this, 2C was at fault, not 3NT.

Ditto, 3NT is obvious. If this hand really had a 2♣ bid then 3NT would probably be a good contract. Even here, when they probably lead a heart, it's fine.

[Apollo81]

It's between double and pass.