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Just a typical hand

Poll: What's your bid? (34 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your bid?

  1. pass (1 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

  2. 1 Heart (11 votes [32.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.35%

  3. 2 Heart (17 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  4. 3 Heart (3 votes [8.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  5. 4 Heart (2 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2007-June-01, 04:16

All Vul, MP, West

pass-pass-pass-???

KQ
KJ109xxx
Kxx
x
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Posted 2007-June-01, 04:20

3, wtp? :)
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Posted 2007-June-01, 04:25

2, wtp?
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Posted 2007-June-01, 05:20

2, wtp? :P
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Posted 2007-June-01, 05:59

Clear 3. If anything the LOTT has taught us...

Edit: I am very surprised that a Zar points fan could bid 2 here. And I am no less surprised that Frances would bid it too. The best advice I ever read about preempts was that she bids one level above the certainty. We would like to be left in 2 here, but since it isn't very likely that opps would leave us there, better bid 3 right away. Yes, it is MP, and we know for sure opps will go out of their way to compete for the part score.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 06:02

I'd bid 3 otherwise but Vul at MP it has to be 2.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 06:50

ochinko, on Jun 1 2007, 06:59 AM, said:

Edit: I am very surprised that a Zar points fan could bid 2 here.

Well,

1) I have an aceless hand. Partner will have two or fewer aces.

2) 2 describes a great suit in pass out seat and is not "preemptive". I tend not to preempt in the 4th seat. It is an offensive bid showing a good suit

3) After a 2 bid, it is still possible to reach 4. A 3 bid in 4th seat should be worth 8 sure tricks with a chance for a ninth. This hand is worth, on a good day, 6 in hearts (maybe 5 or less), 1 in spades, and if they lead up to you one in diamomds. So on a good day with a helpful lead in , it is worth 8, not 9 tricks.

In any other seat than 4th, I would open 1.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 07:25

2H, I really don't understand 3H.

Of course, I think Bergen raises suck too, so I'm hopeless :P

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Posted 2007-June-01, 08:21

2, but I would rebid 3 if they tried to play in spades.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 08:29

I think its close between 2 and 3, but I chose 2.

I think 3 should be a purer hand with a 7 card suit; perhaps: Ax, KQJxxxx, Kx, xx. Pard should be able to raise 3 to 4 with 2 cover cards.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 09:28

Fluffy, on Jun 1 2007, 05:16 AM, said:

All Vul, MP, West

pass-pass-pass-???

KQKJT9xxxKxxx

The "book bid" with this hand is 2

I see no reason to mastermind.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 09:44

What, if I may be so bold as to ask, is wrong with 1 rather than lying about our trump length as forumers love to do so much?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 09:49

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What, if I may be so bold as to ask, is wrong with 1♥ rather than lying about our trump length as forumers love to do so much?


Why is 2H a lie? It says 6+ hearts, I think I can make it, no slam interest, and I don't want to make it easy for the opps to find their fit.

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Posted 2007-June-01, 10:50

No, it says 6 hearts, but when people say it's the bid they want to make they change the definition to 6+ hearts.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 11:11

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No, it says 6 hearts, but when people say it's the bid they want to make they change the definition to 6+ hearts.


Bunk.

Peter
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Posted 2007-June-01, 11:11

jdonn, on Jun 1 2007, 11:44 AM, said:

What, if I may be so bold as to ask, is wrong with 1 rather than lying about our trump length as forumers love to do so much?

1 lets the opponents overcall 1 or 2m. Since neither has an opening hand, they will be less inclined to double or overcall 2 or 3m than they would a level lower. We don't care about partner here -- we just want to play in 2 or 3.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 11:15

Apollo81, on Jun 1 2007, 12:11 PM, said:

We don't care about partner here

Ok now I see the problem. You should care, you could have game too easily, there is just no reason to misdescribe your hand. I don't understand why it's the end of the world if they overcall, my defense vs. 3 if they choose to bid it is very fair.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 11:25

I do care about pard. I want him to bid one more with a suitable hand ;)
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Posted 2007-June-01, 11:29

jdonn, on Jun 1 2007, 01:15 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jun 1 2007, 12:11 PM, said:

We don't care about partner here

Ok now I see the problem. You should care, you could have game too easily, there is just no reason to misdescribe your hand. I don't understand why it's the end of the world if they overcall, my defense vs. 3 if they choose to bid it is very fair.

Sorry, I don't agree on these points.
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Posted 2007-June-01, 12:30

jdonn, on Jun 1 2007, 10:44 AM, said:

What, if I may be so bold as to ask, is wrong with 1 rather than lying about our trump length as forumers love to do so much?

Thanks, thought I was just going insane when I saw all the 2H vs 3H debate lol.


BTW to me 3H shows a very good hand not something like this or close to this.
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