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Posted 2007-May-22, 16:47

If you're playing RONF, what do you rebid when partner bids a new suit, you don't have support, but you have a max?

This seems rather important to know, and I'm surprised I've waited this long before asking.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:06

A new suit, 3nt?
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:15

Also, I imagine it's a bit different between

2♥ - 2♠

and

2♥ - 3♦

Can someone give a good summary, or link me to a good resource?
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:18

After you have opened 2♥ or is there more to the auction?
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:23

jillybean2, on May 22 2007, 06:06 PM, said:

A new suit, 3nt?

This is quite correct. Or you can jump to 4 of your major if it will always be a playable suit and 3NT doesn't look like a good idea, like 2♥ p 3♦ p and you hold x KQJTxx Kx xxxx.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:39

Would a new suit be a feature?

2♥ - 2♠
3♣
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:46

I hate this answer but here goes :) it depends on your agreement.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 17:49

jillybean2, on May 22 2007, 06:46 PM, said:

I hate this answer but here goes :) it depends on your agreement.

I think it's a fine answer :)

What are some common agreements? I honestly can't think of any others aside from "I have some values here pard."
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Posted 2007-May-22, 18:01

goobers, on May 22 2007, 06:39 PM, said:

Would a new suit be a feature?

2♥ - 2♠
3♣

Yes, it shows strength in the form of an honor but not necessarily length.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 18:03

Okay cool, that was simple enough, thanks :)
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Posted 2007-May-22, 20:11

My preference, learned years ago, as to 2-level RONF new suit next actions:

2NT = minimum, fit ("fit" being Qx/xxx+)\
Raise = max, fit (can also splinter, unless major was possibly artificial)
Rebid own = no fit, minimum
New = no fit, "feature" (intentionally fuzzy)
3NT = solid suit (like 3NT after feature or OGUST)

BTW, the RONF new suit can be either a suit or an artificial stopper ask. Thus, after say 2♥ opening, Responder's 2♠ either shows spades OR an interest in raising to 2NT/3NT if Opener has a card in spades.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 23:34

What does RONF stand for?
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Posted 2007-May-22, 23:41

raise only non forcing
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Posted 2007-May-23, 00:10

You could bid a side suit with values. Doesn't matter if it's only a 3-card (it will usually be if your preempts are somewhat diciplined), even Hx will do.

Not sure what to do with AKQxxx and out. After 2NT you bid 3NT but after a new suit you'll like to let partner declare in 3NT. What about this:
2♥-2♠
?

2N= spades raise, at least Qx or xxx.
3♠=AKQxxx, no spades support

That rightsides the final contract and is also adheres to the useful space principle.
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