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#1 User is offline   Trumpace 

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Posted 2007-April-02, 20:14

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LHO bids 1H, partner overcalls 4NT and RHO passes. To you.

What is 4NT? Blackwood? Minors? What?

Is there any obvious/standard treatment in "SAYC"?
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Posted 2007-April-02, 20:42

4NT should be an extreme two-suiter. Usually the minors, but possibly may be a minor/major if he/she expected the bidding to reach the 5 level due to the extreme shape of their hand.

Of course, what 4NT means in your partnership depends on your partnership agreement.... but with a random person on BBO, i'd take it to be a two-suiter.
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Posted 2007-April-02, 21:20

No, 4N is definitely for the minors. Its not in a cramped auction so it isnt 2 places to play.
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Posted 2007-April-02, 23:54

Trumpace, on Apr 2 2007, 09:14 PM, said:

BBO online.

LHO bids 1H, partner overcalls 4NT and RHO passes. To you.

What is 4NT? Blackwood? Minors? What?

Is there any obvious/standard treatment in "SAYC"?

Zia in the Bermuda Bowl and equivalent events has played 4nt is always 100% blackwood...That is playable with agreement no matter what anyone says. This was with a young Paki team.
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Posted 2007-April-03, 02:00

Such bids are so infrequent that they have no significant effect on the final result of any tournament. If winning players play something unplayable here, no one would notice.

That said, anything but an extreme 2-suiter in the minors would be a surprise.
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Posted 2007-April-03, 02:46

I'd more than mildly surprised if my partner didn't have a big minor two suiter when bidding 4NT here. :)
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Posted 2007-April-03, 04:15

4NT is for the minors imo, I used this bid a few weeks ago in the exact same auction :rolleyes:
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  Posted 2007-April-03, 05:28

:rolleyes: if it is for minors pd had abid of 2nt bypassing this bid he is bidding 4nt therefore i take it as ace asking blackwood.
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Posted 2007-April-03, 06:03

skaeran, on Apr 3 2007, 08:46 AM, said:

I'd more than mildly surprised if my partner didn't have a big minor two suiter when bidding 4NT here. :rolleyes:

Me too.
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Posted 2007-April-03, 06:04

Minors, 6-6 usually, not strong
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Posted 2007-April-03, 07:26

Unless agreed to otherwise, this is for the minors
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Posted 2007-April-03, 07:38

blackwood is teh plague!!
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Posted 2007-April-03, 09:15

whereagles, on Apr 3 2007, 03:38 PM, said:

blackwood is teh plague!!

A virulent virus indeed. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2007-April-03, 09:45

effervesce, on Apr 2 2007, 09:42 PM, said:

4NT should be an extreme two-suiter. Usually the minors, but possibly may be a minor/major if he/she expected the bidding to reach the 5 level due to the extreme shape of their hand.

Of course, what 4NT means in your partnership depends on your partnership agreement.... but with a random person on BBO, i'd take it to be a two-suiter.

It can never be major/minor after a 1H opening. You can bid 4H instead to show spades plus a minor.

I seriously doubt anyone above a beginner level (Zia included) would currently treat this as anything other than minors.

You did say a young Paki team, Mike....how long ago was that? Zia isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore.
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