[Rossoneri]

Scoring: IMP

1NT opening can have a 5 card major.

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[jdonn]

1NT for me. I can see the hand is not 'notrumpy' but that whole concept is overrated to me. I am more concerned with the fact that I have absolutely no sensible way to bid my hand almost regardless of what partner does if I open 1♥.

What do I bid over 1♠?
What do I bid over non forcing 1NT? (I am really inbetween passing and not)
What do I bid over 1♥ 1NT(f1) 2♣ 2♥? Pass and partner has Kxx Tx AJxx xxxx?
Heck what do I bid after 1♥ 2♥, where we could so easily either have game or be down in 3?

When partner raising is not even good news, sign me up for 1NT.

[han]

I'd open 1NT.

But if I did open 1H, then I'd rebid 2S over partner's 1S, and 2C over partner's 1NT, and guess the right bid after any of those other nasty auctions

[david_c]

I'd open 1NT. If the strong 3-card suit was a minor instead of spades then I would open 1♥, intending to rebid that minor. But with spades that is not an option, so I vote for 1NT.

[hrothgar]

If I have an agreement that a 1NT opening can so a 5 card major then I open 1NT with the right range and a 5 card major.

I understand that having two wide open suits is less than desirable. However, its going to be incredibly difficult to show this hand if my rebids after 1♥ deny 3=5=2=3 with 15-17 HCP.

[P_Marlowe]

1H, matter of style.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

Hannie, on Mar 17 2007, 11:59 AM, said:

I'd open 1NT.

But if I did open 1H, then I'd rebid 2S over partner's 1S, and 2C over partner's 1NT, and guess the right bid after any of those other nasty auctions

Not "guess the right bid". More like "guess what to bid". After all, if there was a 'right bid' then it wouldn't be a problem

[Gerben42]

1NT. This hand screams REBID PROBLEM! as Josh correctly pointed out.

[zasanya]

1 ♥ .2 suits wide open .Seems risky to open 1NT.
After 1 Nt or 2♥ I wud pass .Most of my Partners are denying 10 points.Over 1♠ my rebid would be 2♠.I doubt if we would miss any reasonable game.

[han]

jdonn, on Mar 17 2007, 12:51 PM, said:

Hannie, on Mar 17 2007, 11:59 AM, said:

I'd open 1NT.

But if I did open 1H, then I'd rebid 2S over partner's 1S, and 2C over partner's 1NT, and guess the right bid after any of those other nasty auctions

Not "guess the right bid". More like "guess what to bid". After all, if there was a 'right bid' then it wouldn't be a problem

In practice, right bid means winning bid Josh! That's why you end up winning bidding polls and I end up winning.... uhm, nothing.

[whereagles]

agree with jdonn. glad im playing a 5CM NT.. lol

[Edmunte1]

1NT - this is one bid hand, no good second call

[HeartA]

1NT, wtp?

[mike777]

1H, wtp?

Barely an opening hand, what rebid problem.

[han]

The poll should include "pass" for mike777.

[pbleighton]

"The poll should include "pass" for mike777."

In real life he never passes 11 counts

RS is just one of Mike's frequent acid flashbacks

Peter

[Echognome]

I'm going to buck the trend and open 1♥. I'm presuming my style is that I have agreed with partner that I'm allowed to open 1♥ or 1NT with this shape and these values.

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What do I bid over 1♠?

2♠ - Certainly not ideal, but can't I presume we have a reasonable structure over this where partner can bid 2NT and I can show max and 3 card support?

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What do I bid over non forcing 1NT? (I am really inbetween passing and not)

Pass - Presumably if I opened 1NT, partner would pass that. I see no great advantage in being declarer.

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What do I bid over 1♥ 1NT(f1) 2♣ 2♥? Pass and partner has Kxx Tx AJxx xxxx?

Pass - This is the only troubling auction. However, the example hand you gave is likely to pass your 1N opening. However, I'm sure we can create some 9 counts that would invite game opposite 1N and would bid this way over 1♥. By the way are you accepting an invite if the auction goes 1N - 2N? Certainly not saying the 1♥ opening is without risk.

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Heck what do I bid after 1♥ 2♥, where we could so easily either have game or be down in 3?

This depends entirely on my style of 2♥ bids. Presuming 2♥ is a "constructive" raise, then I will make a try. Obviously a Kokish game try if that is in my arsenal, otherwise I'll make a natural game try of 2♠.

Now, let me give the 1NT bidders some questions.

When it goes 1NT - (3♦) - are you making a reopening double? How do you feel about the auction?

If it goes 1NT - (Dbl) - P - (P) - ? are you pulling?

When it goes 1NT - 3NT and partner turns up with Kxxx JTx xxx AKx and they rattle off the first 5 diamond tricks, how will you feel?

[Rossoneri]

Would it make a difference to any of you if you had a forcing NT response at your partner's disposal?

[mike777]

I think if you play very sound opening bids and partner bids 1nt forcing you just rebid 2H.

I think if you play junky openings with a semi-force nt response you just rebid 2clubs. Pass is not an option. Yes 2clubs is quite wide ranging here.

[jdonn]

Echognome, on Mar 17 2007, 06:47 PM, said:

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What do I bid over 1♠?

2♠ - Certainly not ideal, but can't I presume we have a reasonable structure over this where partner can bid 2NT and I can show max and 3 card support?

That structure doesn't do you much good since you clearly have more than a max, particularly for 3NT on hands where partner will pass with 4 spades.

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What do I bid over non forcing 1NT? (I am really inbetween passing and not)

Pass - Presumably if I opened 1NT, partner would pass that. I see no great advantage in being declarer.

Isn't 1NT 6-9? Partner will bid over 1NT 100% of the time with 9, and depending who they are anywhere from a little to most of the time with 8.

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What do I bid over 1♥ 1NT(f1) 2♣ 2♥? Pass and partner has Kxx Tx AJxx xxxx?

Pass - This is the only troubling auction. However, the example hand you gave is likely to pass your 1N opening. However, I'm sure we can create some 9 counts that would invite game opposite 1N and would bid this way over 1♥. By the way are you accepting an invite if the auction goes 1N - 2N? Certainly not saying the 1♥ opening is without risk.

Only troubling auction...other than the one forcing you to make a bid that is "certainly not ideal"?
Pass my 1NT opener? You are kidding right? Not if you are my partner please.
Of course accept an invitation.

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Now, let me give the 1NT bidders some questions. 

When it goes 1NT - (3♦) - are you making a reopening double?  How do you feel about the auction?

I double and am not unhappy at all. I hope you weren't suggesting this auction is anywhere near as likely as the ones I gave.

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If it goes 1NT - (Dbl) - P - (P) - ? are you pulling?

Repeat last answer, changing the word "double" to "pull".

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When it goes 1NT - 3NT and partner turns up with Kxxx JTx xxx AKx and they rattle off the first 5 diamond tricks, how will you feel?

Pretty lousy Isn't it the same thing that would have happened if I had opened 1NT with AQx KQxxx Qx QJx? Any time you do it with a 5 card major, there is some chance you will go down in 3NT with 4M making, but it works both ways and time has shown in the long run 1NT will pay off.