[SoTired]

As dealer, IMP, all vul, you have ♠- ♥xx ♦A10x ♣KQ10xxxxx
No Namyats nor 3N showing preemptive 4m.

1st Question: What do you open? Some number of clubs, but how many? 1, 3, 4, or 5?

2nd Question: Say you open 1C, the opps surprisingly remain silent and partner responds 1S. Now what? 2C, 3C or 5C. Can't bid 4C as that shows a 6-4 spade raise.

3rd Question: Have you discussed this hand-type with your regular partner? If so, what are your agreements?

[skjaeran]

1. I'd like to open 4.5 ♣
Since that's no option, I guess I'd put the 5♣ sign on the table. If that goes for -800, so be it. Opps either can make a game - then I lose 4-5 IMP's or a slam - I win 12. I guess I'd lose a little in the long run, but I can live with that.

2. If I chose to open 1♣, I'd rebid 2♣. I'd not want to make a jump rebid, since that should promise more high card and defensive strenght. 5♣ is out of the question - I chose not to preempt from the start, and opps is silent. No need to kill partner, who obviously holds a strong hand.

3. No special agreements. Use judgement. Either go slowly with a 1-level opening or preempt as high as you can, taking vulnerability and trick potential into account. We don't use Namyats. But use gambling 3NT. Can't rebid 4♣, for same reason you give.

[goobers]

If you open 1♣, I think your rebid is easy when they miraculously don't interfere I'd be worried that it would be 4♠ by the time it got back to me if I opened 1♣.

I open this hand 4♣... but I'm a coward.

[pbleighton]

5C is clear, at least in my style. An 8 card suit, and only 2 cards in the majors.

Peter

[inquiry]

Open 1♣, rebid 2♣ with most partners.

[hrothgar]

4♣

[jdonn]

I open 1♣ then bid 2♣. And if on many auctions I will make a third round jump to 4♣ which I think shows a hand like this, presuming you get the chance for the entire sequence though of course you often won't.

Opening 4♣ or 5♣ are also reasonable. The one thing I am sure of is that IF you open 1♣ you should definitely rebid 2♣.

[pclayton]

1. Not surprisingly, I'll open 5♣. 0-2 in the majors is a great combination to hold.

2. If I opened 1♣, which is far from unreasonable, I would rebid 2♣. There's some logic in a 5♣ rebid, but lets try to involve pard. If pard shows support or even tolerance, this hand could take a lot of tricks.

3. Not really, which is one of the reasons I lean toward preemption when its close.

[EricK]

1. I open 4♣. 4m is one of my favourite pre-empts.

2. If I opened 1♣ I would rebid 2♣ (then 3♣ and so on)

3. I'm not sure what you are counting as this hand type. Longish, strongish suits with less than opening strength pre-empt.

[whereagles]

I'm going with a 5♣ opener. Too much playing strength to open a mere 4♣.

[mikeh]

EricK, on Mar 10 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

1. I open 4♣. 4m is one of my favourite pre-empts.

4 minor is my least favourite preempt: to the point that I use a modified Namyats instead.

Ask yourself this question: It goes 4♣ [4major] P P to you. Are you happy?

Or it goes 4♣ [x] P 4Major

Or it goes 4♣ [p] P [4major] are you happy?

If you have any wish, on these auctions, that you had rather bid 5♣, then you should open 5♣....

To me, 5♣ is clear

[P_Marlowe]

4C, I am slighly to strong for this bid, but 5C usually
is to high to give them a guess.
If it is right to sac. partner will raise.

And if the auction comes back to me at the 4 level,
I will pass with out any regrets, I have made my decision.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pbleighton]

"4m is one of my favourite pre-empts"

It's good NV with a really bad hand. I almost never bid it vul.

This hand is too good for 4m IMO.

Peter

[jdonn]

mikeh, on Mar 10 2007, 02:27 PM, said:

EricK, on Mar 10 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

1. I open 4♣. 4m is one of my favourite pre-empts.

4 minor is my least favourite preempt: to the point that I use a modified Namyats instead.

Ask yourself this question: It goes 4♣ [4major] P P to you. Are you happy?

Or it goes 4♣ [x] P 4Major

Or it goes 4♣ [p] P [4major] are you happy?

If you have any wish, on these auctions, that you had rather bid 5♣, then you should open 5♣....

To me, 5♣ is clear

(In reference to 4 minor opening bids in general, not necessarilly on this hand)...

I am thrilled in all of those cases.

If we had a good sacrifice we would have found it but since we didn't (as pard passed in your examples) we haven't blown things by opening at the 5 level where they usually just double us and take what they can get.

If they have a slam we have taken away all their space for exploration, 4th seat may pass the 4 major overcall on quite a good hand in case his partner stretched, only to find his partner on a good hand.

If partner doubles I am ecstatic for two reasons. One is that he is extremely likely to be right as he knows just what sort of hand I hold. The other is that the 4 minor preempt will often cause them to overbid 4 major since they just have to guess, and I feel I am collecting a number that the other table/tables will not be collecting if they play namyats or such.

There are of course ways it can work badly, most notably pushing them into a game they wouldn't have bid that they now make due to having so much information about my hand. But I think those cases, though they aren't unlikely, pale in comparison to the benefits, of which there are many more than I even mentioned. I believe very strongly that I am way ahead of the field already on any hand where I open 4 of a minor.

[mike777]

SoTired, on Mar 10 2007, 12:45 AM, said:

As dealer, IMP, all vul, you have ♠- ♥xx ♦A10x ♣KQ10xxxxx
No Namyats nor 3N showing preemptive 4m.

1st Question: What do you open? Some number of clubs, but how many? 1, 3, 4, or 5?

2nd Question: Say you open 1C, the opps surprisingly remain silent and partner responds 1S. Now what? 2C, 3C or 5C. Can't bid 4C as that shows a 6-4 spade raise.

3rd Question: Have you discussed this hand-type with your regular partner? If so, what are your agreements?

1) one club easy if you play this style..clear one club
2) 2club rebid easy so far. Partner bid one spade and the opp are silent so far, yes?
3) ya good to discuss, easy so far.

[han]

I'd open 5C or 1C, never 4C. Agree that 2C is an automatic rebid if you open 1C.

[pclayton]

mikeh, on Mar 10 2007, 11:27 AM, said:

EricK, on Mar 10 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

1. I open 4♣. 4m is one of my favourite pre-empts.

4 minor is my least favourite preempt: to the point that I use a modified Namyats instead.

Ask yourself this question: It goes 4♣ [4major] P P to you. Are you happy?

Or it goes 4♣ [x] P 4Major

Or it goes 4♣ [p] P [4major] are you happy?

If you have any wish, on these auctions, that you had rather bid 5♣, then you should open 5♣....

To me, 5♣ is clear

I'm a 5♣ bidder, but I disagree that 4♣ / 4♦ arent useful preempts. You give up 3N but you take up a lot of bidding space, and you engage pard on whether or not to sac.

I'm not fond of 4♣/4♦ as NAMYATS. Similar to transfer preempts, it gives the opponents extra opportunities.

Much prefer 3N as multi-Namyats.

[the hog]

5C for me

[HeartA]

Hannie, on Mar 10 2007, 05:18 PM, said:

I'd open 5C or 1C, never 4C. Agree that 2C is an automatic rebid if you open 1C.

Agree with Han.

[Gerben42]

5♣ sounds fine to me. Good 8-bagger and a side Ace.