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#1 User is offline   pbleighton 

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Posted 2007-March-10, 04:52

You have AQ-AQ-AKQxxx-1098 in the 4th seat, passed around to you. Pd had KJ109x-KJ8-Jx-J9x. How would you have bid this?

If you open 2NT (I thought about 1D and 2C), and it goes 3H (transfer)-3S-3NT, what do you do?

3NT was the most common contract either -1, +1, or +3, depending on the lead. We were -1 when opp led 4th best from AK632 and out (the most common lead). What's your lead from this holding?

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Posted 2007-March-10, 05:18

I'd just open 3NT to give LHO a blind lead. But you may not have had that available to you.

Over the 2NT auction, I'd have left it in 3NT.

Not sure what I'd lead from that suit. Low is proably best as it works if partner has the Q but also works if clubs break kindly and partner has an entry before opps have 9 tricks.
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Posted 2007-March-10, 09:17

It would be very hard to reach 4. Need some good/lucky decisions to get there. I'd treat the hand as a 22-24 NT, so we might also have a problem stopping at game level.

As to the lead: 3 any time.
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Posted 2007-March-10, 09:27

I think I would end up in 3NT or worse with any system. Even (playing something like Lawrence style, but with light openings) if it started
1-2
2-2NT
3-3
4-?
it would be hard for South to pass 4. Playing mandatory control bids after 3 would work, though.
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Posted 2007-March-10, 09:59

Hi,

If you open 1D, you will have a rebid
problem.

If you open 2NT, you end up in 3NT.

After a 2C opening, you will most likely
reach 4S, since you will discover the club
weakness.

I would say, that 2NT is a slight underbid,
given your strong 6 card suit.

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Posted 2007-March-10, 10:06

I'd open 2NT
End up in 3NT
Go down after the Club lead

From my perspective, you got unlucky....

The opponents have 7 clubs between them
They have 8 Hearts between them

It turns out that

1. Clubs broke 5-2
2. The player with 5 clubs to the AK was on lead
3. His partner had Qx

***** happens
Next board
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Posted 2007-March-10, 11:05

There is not much to say here, but that your result is normal. It is almost impossible to avoid the 3NT contract. I would not give it another second of thought, it seems normal bridge to me. No doubt the 3NT contracts making a lot of tricks were played by the other side (1D-1S-3D-3NT for instance.

Having said that, I might stumble into 4 playing my odd version of 2over1.

First, I can't open 2NT -- that would be "misiry" the way I play. So the opening bid would be 1. North would bid 1.

Over 1, opener can not rebid
  • 2NT = as that shows 4 card spade support and a "strong" raise to 3 or better
  • 3 as that shows great diamond suit PLUS three card spade support which I don't have
Ths concept of "Bridge is suits" and "support with support" drives those two treatments, and forces another convention on opener. This convention is "Cole-like" and I refer to is as NMFO for new minor forcing by opener. So I willl rebid 2- which is a cole-like convention showing a number of good hands (one of which can include three card support for spades). Responder will bid 2 here game force but does not show hearts. Opener will rebid 3 = great one suiter, no three card spade support (else 3 round earlier). 3 shows values in hearts, and 3 = spade values. Now both partners know that clubs are wide open. 4 becomes, well, the final contact.

Howeer, truth be told, over 2 opener has another option. He can bid 2/3NT in which case that 3NT is the final contract.
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Posted 2007-March-10, 11:12

P_Marlowe, on Mar 10 2007, 06:59 PM, said:

After a 2C opening, you will most likely
reach 4S, since you will discover the club
weakness.

What auction are you envisioning?

After a strong 2 opening and a 3 rebid, you have no space to look for stoppers.

After a strong 2 opening and some form of NT rebid you're right back where you started from.
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Posted 2007-March-10, 12:46

This is a no-brainer 4th seat 3NT opening for me :)

Oh, and pard should have opened a 9-11 1NT :)
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Posted 2007-March-10, 13:02

Unless your opponents help you with a club overcall, I would expect 90% of all pairs to reach 3N. Within the 10% that don't, I would expect a few would overreach to a slam, and a few incompetent pairs would stop in 4 of a minor, along with those that end up in 4.

Even then, you are still making 3N when clubs are 4-3 (62%), when they are 5-2 or 6-1 (and block), you are in good shape.
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Posted 2007-March-10, 13:42

hrothgar, on Mar 10 2007, 12:12 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Mar 10 2007, 06:59 PM, said:

After a 2C opening, you will most likely
reach 4S, since you will discover the club
weakness.

What auction are you envisioning?

After a strong 2 opening and a 3 rebid, you have no space to look for stoppers.

After a strong 2 opening and some form of NT rebid you're right back where you started from.

Hi,

I was thinking about

Pass - 2C
2S(1) - 3D(2)
3H(3) - 4S(4)

(1) the spade suit can heartly be better
(2) 2NT is certainly an option after the pos.
response, but 3D is also not out of this world
(3) values
(4) what else (?), even knowing about the 5-2 fit

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Posted 2007-March-10, 14:42

I think it is barely possible on a good day to reach the top spot via:

1D-1S
3C-3D
3H-3S
4S
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Posted 2007-March-10, 16:15

Winstonm, on Mar 10 2007, 03:42 PM, said:

I think it is barely possible on a good day to reach the top spot via:

1D-1S
3C-3D
3H-3S
4S

erm, which hands are you bidding here?!?!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-March-10, 16:21

P=1D
1S=3C
?


Not sure what the correct rebid over 3 clubs is, any opinion?
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Posted 2007-March-10, 17:03

Hannie, on Mar 11 2007, 05:15 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Mar 10 2007, 03:42 PM, said:

I think it is barely possible on a good day to reach the top spot via:

1D-1S
3C-3D
3H-3S
4S

erm, which hands are you bidding here?!?!

Its OK Hannie, he has 15 cards.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 03:35

I might open 1, but then I'll rebid 2NT forcing and end up on 3NT anyway.

only way to avoid IMO is:

2-2
3-4
4
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