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Nuremberg-style trials for global warming skeptics

#21 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2006-October-14, 11:21

helene_t, on Oct 14 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

David Roberts seems to regret what he said.

Anyway, Todd's prediction of thought crime becoming a chriminal offense is about to come true. In France, it's a crime not to consider the killings of Armenians in Turkey during WW I a "genocide".

In the U.S. it was stated this way: "You are with us or against us."
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Posted 2006-November-20, 00:47

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2Scien...s/V9/N45/C2.jsp

Short summary. Global warming may _lower_ sea levels. Here's the science. Chicken little seen to be walking upright.
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Posted 2006-November-20, 02:54

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The world contains plenty of people who say silly things. It doesn't matter which side of the debate they are on, they're still loonies. More fool you if you take them seriously

Ever tried listening to the Labour Party, The Libereal Democrats or the Tories?

it would appear that GB has more than it's fair share of loonies and sceptics
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Posted 2006-November-20, 07:38

DrTodd13, on Nov 20 2006, 09:47 AM, said:

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2Scien...s/V9/N45/C2.jsp

Short summary. Global warming may _lower_ sea levels. Here's the science. Chicken little seen to be walking upright.

From what I can tell, no one is quite sure what is going to happen to the various ice sheets. There's an enormous number of separate feedback loops involved.

Almost all of the climate models predict that warmer temperatures will increase the amount of snowfall in the artic and the antartic. In theory, its possible that the increase in mass at the center of the of the ice-sheets from snowfall could outweight the loss of mass at the edges from calvation and ice melt. Coupled with this, dramatic pictures of edge sheets fracturing makes for much more exciting press than slow/sustained snowfall.

Balanced against this, you have a number of other issues. Meltwater can act as a lubricant, which, in turn would increase the speed at which the ice moves down to the sea. There's much more surface area at the edges of the sheets than at the centers, so if the edges fail in a dramatic fashion you have much less energy being reflected from the earth's surface.

Finally, its unclear whether the amount of mass thats locked up in ice sheets will have a major impact on sea levels. Many of the seal level models focus on thermal expansion of a given quantity of water rather than changes in the quantity of water. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...other-glaciers/ has a decent primer on some of these topics. They don't directly address the paper that Todd referenced, however, there are references to early work by the same authors.
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Posted 2006-November-20, 09:51

I wonder where GREENLAND got its name?....Oh yeah, Vikings in the 1300's named it so, based on the amount of vegetation around their settlements. That was when we were in the tail end of the temperature rise that was to stop the Atlantic conveyor and cool off Europe (which it did during the "mini ice-age" that followed shortly thereafter). Why didn't the glaciers start to form in Europe? It appears that the continuing production of greenhouse gases made the temperature continue to rise and thwart the natural cooling process. Now we have a bit more time to deal with CO2 before it gets to 1000 ppm (in 150 years or so) and changes the ocean chemiclines enough to let the blue-green algae kill us off with H2S....
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Posted 2006-November-20, 10:09

Al_U_Card, on Nov 20 2006, 06:51 PM, said:

I wonder where GREENLAND got its name?....Oh yeah, Vikings in the 1300's named it so, based on the amount of vegetation around their settlements.

Wrong...

Eric the Red wasn't a real neighborly sort. He got exiled from Iceland and spent the next three years exploring the island that we now know as "Greenland". Eric wanted to gather a bunch of colonists to join him and decided that "god forsaken ice-covered hell hole" really didn't sound like an appealing place to live. He chose the name Greenland as a deliberate PR ploy.

You might be confusing this stroy with one of the journey's of Eric's son Lief who named an area "Vinland" based on the rich vegitation and abundant grapes that he found...
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