[WasWinM]

I would start 2C. 3 small hearts and the J9 of clubs offers a decent chance for game.

After that who knows.

[WasWinM]

 P_Marlowe, on 2025-August-26, 13:52, said:

4H

At one point in time, you need to tell p, that you have a min for your bidding.
As it is you are also denying a club control, which you dont have.

If slam is on, p needs to have Qx in hearts and a club control, he will move on,
if he happens to look at those.

I agree. 4H at this point is automatic.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-August-26, 11:59, said:

Depends, what was 2♦ ?

2♦ "positive" Ace or King minimum

[jillybean]

smerriman, on 2025-August-26, 13:05, said:

How can 4♦ be a cue bid when you haven't even agreed a trump suit yet? 3♥ is just preference, surely, so 4♦ sounds natural to me.

Right that's not how the auction went but I do think that since we are in a gf sequence, 3♥ agrees trump and anything further is a cue. What would I have, some 1553 hand? Partner has already had a chance to raise diamonds.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 09:11, said:

It looks like 1♥ was a popular choice for the opening bid, I chose 2♣

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If you start a cue bid sequence, partner will of course show a spade control. 4♦:4♠
Have I dug myself a big enough hole?

3h should be stronger than 4h, over 3h I can cue 3s....

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 11:04, said:

forum bug still, lets have a collection so we can get a decent server?
There is a delete button for multi posts

The problem is not so much the server(s) but the hosting (IBM?), also the specific server bug we all identified (two years ago?).

I use the delete button when I can, which means when I can reach a PC (as now) and avoid the forum bug.

There is a lot BBO could do to improve the situation.

[mike777]

pescetom, on 2025-August-26, 15:04, said:

The problem is not so much the server(s) but the hosting (IBM?), also the specific server bug we all identified (two years ago?).

I use the delete button when I can, which means when I can reach a PC (as now) and avoid the forum bug.

There is a lot BBO could do to improve the situation.

If anything it seems getting on is even more of a hassle, the forums freezing

[smerriman]

jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 14:49, said:

Right that's not how the auction went but I do think that since we are in a gf sequence, 3♥ agrees trump and anything further is a cue. What would I have, some 1553 hand? Partner has already had a chance to raise diamonds.

Yes, how else would you bid a super strong 5-5 in the reds, if you're not opening 1♥? And if partner has, say, 2 hearts and 3 diamonds, what do they bid over 3♦ (are you wanting them to raise with 3, when you might have 4 like here)?

I would have opened 1♥ anyway, but if stronger..

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-August-26, 14:56, said:

3h should be stronger than 4h, over 3h I can cue 3s....

I don't cue shortage in partners 1st suit

[mike777]

 jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 19:20, said:

I don't cue shortage in partners 1st suit

You need partner to cue clubs below game, if they can, hence cue spades

[jillybean]

 smerriman, on 2025-August-26, 15:07, said:

Yes, how else would you bid a super strong 5-5 in the reds, if you're not opening 1♥? And if partner has, say, 2 hearts and 3 diamonds, what do they bid over 3♦ (are you wanting them to raise with 3, when you might have 4 like here)?

I would have opened 1♥ anyway, but if stronger..

2 suited hands are difficult to bid after a 2C opening, we would open 2C and rebid 2nt or open 1M and disregard the 5 card minor
2C 2D 2M is a 6 bagger

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-August-26, 19:55, said:

You need partner to cue clubs below game, if they can, hence cue spades

We can't have it both ways.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 21:52, said:

We can't have it both ways.

So have it one way, cue spades asking pard to cue clubs, one way smiley
You are Captain, so take charge

If we can bid an artificial 3nt to get pard to cue clubs great

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 21:48, said:

2 suited hands are difficult to bid after a 2C opening, we would open 2C and rebid 2nt or open 1M and disregard the 5 card minor
2C 2D 2M is a 6 bagger

Good, you showed the 6-4, and denied 3 cards in spade, and agreed on hearts being trump.
4H is still the bid.
Given that you dont cue shortage in p suit, the 4H bid will also deny any spade honor p
is missing.
The problem with 4D is, that there is not much room between 4D and 4H.
If p needs a diamond control to move, he should assume you have one, you did bid 3D.
If you dont have a spade top honor, and no club control, this would imply
QJx both in clubs and diamond and nothing in spade, what was your 2C bid based on?

Added later: If 3NT is non serious go for it, ... I think it is sensible to play 3NT
as some slam investigating tool, which I think is sensible, due to the fact, that you have
shown 64.
If it would be serious, the answer is, the hand is too weak, you have a min for the auction.

[pescetom]

 jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 21:52, said:

We can't have it both ways.

As I said earlier (once the forum bug finally permitted, so you may have missed it) I disapprove your rule (this example is just one reason why) and think it would be perverse not to show spades control here.
You get to stop in game if partner does not control clubs, which is exactly you want.

[pescetom]

I see now mike777 said much the same thing.

But:

 mike777, on 2025-August-26, 22:09, said:

If we can bid an artificial 3nt to get pard to cue clubs great

I think there are much better uses for 3NT, such as Non-serious (or serious with spades control, if you invert), or denial of trumps Queen (which is just - I think - an idea of mine, but would have some sense if you play Turbo).

[mike777]

 pescetom, on 2025-August-27, 02:28, said:

I see now mike777 said much the same thing.

But:

I think there are much better uses for 3NT, such as Non-serious (or serious with spades control, if you invert), or denial of trumps Queen (which is just - I think - an idea of mine, but would have some sense if you play Turbo).

Just what is non serious or serious
Everyone talks about it but seems to mean anything?

In practice I just seem to bid 3NT as a stall to get partner to cue bid clubs

Hopefully long before I have defined my hand as minimum or non minimum

[mw64ahw]

mike777, on 2025-August-27, 05:10, said:

Just what is non serious or serious
Everyone talks about it but seems to mean anything?

That was my problem so I now use it to show weak honours; less than 2 for the suit bidder and zero for the suit supporter.

[jillybean]

We need to think about our rule of not Q'ing shortness in partners suit, or adopt serious/non serious 3nt.
I can see more disasters coming my way but will discuss further with partners.

If I bid 3nt as a stall to get partner to cue, I often end up in the 3nt trap.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-August-27, 06:26, said:

We need to think about our rule of not Q'ing shortness in partners suit, or adopt serious/non serious 3nt.
I can see more disasters coming my way but will discuss further with partners.

If I bid 3nt as a stall to get partner to cue, I often end up in the 3nt trap.

It's interesting, for us, we play 2♦ neg, and 2♣-positive F4N unless an AK known to be missing, so we don't have the 3N issue there, and in general use it as the most expensive cue, in this case diamonds denying a spade control which allows partner to cue clubs.