[thepossum]

Hi all

I managed to score 100% in a small MP tourney - 2/1 15-17 NT etc - South is best hand too
Can't necessarily say all through judgement but happy with my choice of bid - all just luck of course - random disbutions include occasional tops

What do you reckon? Do you see trouble ahead

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[jillybean]

Congratulations, 100%. you should be given a national title too.

1D, no more than the usual trouble.

[thepossum]

jillybean, on 2025-February-21, 23:13, said:

Congratulations, 100%. you should be given a national title too.

1D, no more than the usual trouble.

What I was curious about was whether there are any special considerations for it given that it caused the field so much trouble
The 100% was pure luck at avoding the ensuing chaos

You will get a heart overcall followed by negative double and 2 hearts

[thepossum]

Maybe no clues at all but every opening bid led to a range of negative scores from simple 1 down to 5 or 6 down or doubling oops into game

Only non negative scores were 1NT or pass possibly:)

[jillybean]

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I was more concerned that the opps would overcall 1♠ and partner would make a negative double.

I'm assuming X = 4S

[Cyberyeti]

thepossum, on 2025-February-22, 01:27, said:

What I was curious about was whether there are any special considerations for it given that it caused the field so much trouble
The 100% was pure luck at avoding the ensuing chaos

You will get a heart overcall followed by negative double and 2 hearts

What methods am I playing ? would partner bid 1♠ with 4 or would he double ?

I would have opened 1♣ and my responsive X would show this sort of shape

[jdiana]

jillybean, on 2025-February-22, 08:55, said:

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I was more concerned that the opps would overcall 1♠ and partner would make a negative double.

I'm assuming X = 4S

What is South's double? Assuming the negative double shows exactly four spades, we kind of want to make a support double but I don't think South's double would be considered a support double.

[Cyberyeti]

jdiana, on 2025-February-22, 09:56, said:

What is South's double? Assuming the negative double shows exactly four spades, we kind of want to make a support double but I don't think South's double would be considered a support double.

If I had 4 spades, I'd bid them, so the implication is shortish hearts, 3 spades, takeout.

[jillybean]

I like (1H) 1S 4+ (Justin Lall) but not so many people play that at my club.

So X should be 4 and my double should be support. , too many “shoulds” but simple bridge?

[jdiana]

I think it makes sense to define it as a support double in this situation, if you play them, even though it's not the classic situation. Even though we know responder can't have five spades, it's still helpful to distinguish between 3- and 4-card support. I don't know if I would have been smart enough to apply cyberyeti's bridge logic at the table if playing with a pickup partner, but it makes perfect sense.

[mike777]

 jdiana, on 2025-February-22, 10:55, said:

I think it makes sense to define it as a support double in this situation, if you play them, even though it's not the classic situation. Even though we know responder can't have five spades, it's still helpful to distinguish between 3- and 4-card support. I don't know if I would have been smart enough to apply cyberyeti's bridge logic at the table if playing with a pickup partner, but it makes perfect sense.

It is NOT a support double, more akin to a responsive double if anything...

Doubles are fun to use. Stop thinking of them as penalty doubles and a whole world of bridge bidding opens up..smile.
Start thinking of doubles as
1. Showing unbid suits
2. Partial support for pards suit
3, asking pard to bid 3NT with a stopper
4, competitive only, pard bid something..
5, pard I have values, but no perfect bid
6, etc

The higher the level, a bit more they lean towards penalty, each level,, but only a bit more..

How do you penalize?
That is a whole other chapter or book..

Doubles are fun, use them more often, especially on tough bidding hands

Enjoyable!

[Cyberyeti]

mike777, on 2025-February-22, 11:38, said:

It is NOT a support double, more akin to a responsive double if anything...

But in fact the two are very similar hands in this particular auction.

[jillybean]

Let's stop getting hung up on language, convention names.
I've got 3 spades, and no other bid.

edit. I love 1D (1H) X = no 4 card spades, now I can picture our minor fit

[thepossum]

Sadly in the auction at the table 2HX was passed. Maybe not in all auctions. Our tables were populated mostly by robots

Should I post the traveller. At least it was pairs and not IMPs

And I don't know how much was down to system or robots. In the system we played X is a strong bid with 3 spades

How would good players bid the full hand below

[thepossum]

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I was almost proud of preempting the chaos but not much thought went into it

[mike777]

If you are playing a tournament with robots and where you always have the best hand, that is a different game....

See Leo or a few others on how to bid and win. Again, you are discussing a different game.

[thepossum]

 mike777, on 2025-February-22, 17:08, said:

If you are playing a tournament with robots and where you always have the best hand, that is a different game....

See Leo or a few others on how to bid and win. Again, you are discussing a different game.

We are still bidding a bridge hand

[thepossum]

 mike777, on 2025-February-22, 17:08, said:

If you are playing a tournament with robots and where you always have the best hand, that is a different game....

See Leo or a few others on how to bid and win. Again, you are discussing a different game.

We are still bidding a bridge hand and talking how to bid it. There is always one isn't there

Instead of being a whatever you can look at the hand and discuss how to bid it

I always appreciate constructive comments from others

[AL78]

With the Acol weak NT systems I usually play, I would first think what my rebid will be if I opened 1♣ and partner bids 1♥. Would I be happy rebidding the clubs? Not sure so might open 1♦ planning to bid 2♣ next time unless partner responds 1♠ then I'll raise. I would consider opening a 12-14 NT but I don't like doing that with a stiff major so would opt for the 1m opening. If I were playing a 15-17 NT it wouldn't cross my mind to open 1NT as I don't have 15-17 HCP or a balanced hand. You can occasionally get lucky making bids like that but over the long term, I think it is losing bridge. It is far more satisfying to get good results through good play than fluking.