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I fell for the "Weak" Two trap again

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Posted 2023-January-14, 23:56



Nice hand opposite anything but what do you reckon
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Posted 2023-January-15, 00:18

3 or pass. Never trust a robot.
Non legit hoc
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Posted 2023-January-15, 03:40

I am most certainly reaching game and this sort of looks like a place to blow off a S lead so I bid 2S and bounce to 5D. If we can avoid a S lead 5D should have a shot. Could easily be a 4 or 6 hand.
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Posted 2023-January-15, 03:47

View Postpilowsky, on 2023-January-15, 00:18, said:

3 or pass. Never trust a robot.


Thx. Have added pass to my poll. Forgot that option 😊
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Posted 2023-January-15, 03:49

View Postmcphee, on 2023-January-15, 03:40, said:

I am most certainly reaching game and this sort of looks like a place to blow off a S lead so I bid 2S and bounce to 5D. If we can avoid a S lead 5D should have a shot. Could easily be a 4 or 6 hand.


Indeed it could
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Posted 2023-January-15, 07:54

Assuming that the negative reply to 2NT is 3D (not pass as one might deduce) this looks the way to go, particularly if there is a way to control-bid or Kickback after a positive reply.
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Posted 2023-January-15, 14:44

View Postthepossum, on 2023-January-14, 23:56, said:



Nice hand opposite anything but what do you reckon


It would be good to have a relay system here to find out what sort of hand partner has in terms of suit quality and shape, but as that is not available, I would just bid 5 which looks a decent contract that might be made depending on which suit is led. I smiled ( :D ) at mcphee's suggestion of bidding 2 to discourage a lead - clever - but if partner is the sort of player who opens 2 with 6m4M you could end in a fix if the 4M is .

It could be a 4, 5 or 6 hand (as mcphee says) but I would like to be in game here at the very least. Anything less looks like the Lion from the Wizard of Oz - very cowardly :)
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Posted 2023-January-15, 16:40

View PostLBengtsson, on 2023-January-15, 14:44, said:

I smiled ( :D ) at mcphee's suggestion of bidding 2 to discourage a lead - clever - but if partner is the sort of player who opens 2 with 6m4M you could end in a fix if the 4M is .


I squirmed, I have never been comfortable with the idea that I or my opponents could psyche opposite a robot that is incapable of remembering my behaviour and modifying the disclosed agreement. Certainly an issue for future bridge laws (and more clarity in current BBO tournament regulations).
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Posted 2023-January-15, 16:44

This is the sad story

3D+3 for a remarkable 38%

A few managed to find 5D+1 and a few others managed to make 3NT+3 despite it not being there double dummy

I understand there are no additional features (singleton?) and there are a fair number of losers - but a minimum - how to find the contract

I seriously considered 4NT but you may as well just bid 6 - no with 0 or 1 you can end in 5 ??:)

GiB and I have a different understanding of strong and weak, and pre-emptive style

I certainly felt embarrassed though (at my own bidding and lack of courage my convictions)


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Posted 2023-January-16, 09:46

It's interesting that the description of the 'weak' opening does not set a max on total points.
Although I've seen it open worse, and many humans would do the same.
But you do deserve your money back, for the 3 "Minimum" (!) reply when holding the defined maximum :blink:
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Posted 2023-January-16, 16:09

View Postpescetom, on 2023-January-16, 09:46, said:

It's interesting that the description of the 'weak' opening does not set a max on total points.
Although I've seen it open worse, and many humans would do the same.
But you do deserve your money back, for the 3 "Minimum" (!) reply when holding the defined maximum :blink:


Sadly the hand had no features to show - because I had most of them :lol:

I blame myself entirely for not just bidding 5D

And I am by now familiar with GiB's very strong preempts - I put it through Q-plus Demo which rated it a trick higher and bid 3D - for me I think it would be 1D
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Posted 2023-January-16, 18:30

View Postpescetom, on 2023-January-16, 09:46, said:

But you do deserve your money back, for the 3 "Minimum" (!) reply when holding the defined maximum :blink:

'Minimum' is just a silly description here. 2N is a feature ask rather than strength ask, so it bids a new suit with a feature, 3N with AKQ of diamonds, and 3 with everything else. Why they described it as 'minimum', I have no idea. Why they chose AKQ as the 3N bid, no idea either.
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