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#1 User is offline   maris oren 

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Posted 2020-February-24, 00:02

whatis the mraning of not playing a cars underqlower than the king?
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Posted 2020-February-24, 00:12

I'm guessing 42.
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Posted 2020-February-24, 03:43

I copied this into Google Translate but the result still made no sense. Could you try again please maris only this time check and edit your message before hitting post. Cheers!
(-: Zel :-)
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Posted 2020-February-24, 04:35

what card do you lead if you have K xxx in a suit?
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Posted 2020-February-24, 10:01

In most cases you would lead the third or fourth card in the suit, depending on your lead agreements. You would need an extraordinary reason to lead the K.

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Posted 2020-February-24, 11:18

Against NT you would also need a fairly extraordinary reason to lead from this suit at all.
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Posted 2020-February-24, 11:19

Thanks maris. The standard lead is 4th highest but, as Barry mentions, if you have the agreement with partner to use 3rd and 5th (or 3rd and low) leads then the third highest should be preferred. The only time I can think of where you would vary in this is where partner has bid the suit strongly and you have reason to think that one or both opps might be short and that partner might well be short somewhere else. Then you might lead the king expecting it to hold the trick and to get a suit preference signal. In general you can ignore such esoteric scenarios though and just lead a low one.
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Posted 2020-February-24, 16:24

View Postpescetom, on 2020-February-24, 11:18, said:

Against NT you would also need a fairly extraordinary reason to lead from this suit at all.

Sometimes the only reason you need is that you are on lead B-)
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Posted 2020-February-25, 08:58

View Postbarmar, on 2020-February-24, 10:01, said:

In most cases you would lead the third or fourth card in the suit, depending on your lead agreements. You would need an extraordinary reason to lead the K.


such as: you have reason (good or bad) to hope that it will hold, and fear that the 2nd lead in the suit will be ruffed. So the same reasons you might lead A from Axxx when partner has promised 6+ length there.
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Posted 2020-February-25, 10:27

View PostZelandakh, on 2020-February-24, 11:19, said:

Thanks maris. The standard lead is 4th highest but, as Barry mentions, if you have the agreement with partner to use 3rd and 5th (or 3rd and low) leads then the third highest should be preferred. The only time I can think of where you would vary in this is where partner has bid the suit strongly and you have reason to think that one or both opps might be short and that partner might well be short somewhere else. Then you might lead the king expecting it to hold the trick and to get a suit preference signal. In general you can ignore such esoteric scenarios though and just lead a low one.

SIR,you have given a full explanation if one has to make the opening lead. If one has to lead the suit at a later stage and if one suspects declarer(RHO) has a singleton in the suit and that perhaps may be the Queen then one leads the KING if one sees Axx in dummy.(to smother the Queen)
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Posted 2020-February-25, 10:32

View Postpescetom, on 2020-February-24, 11:18, said:

Against NT you would also need a fairly extraordinary reason to lead from this suit at all.

Sir, the OP must have had that ""extraordinary reason" to pose the question.(It is possible his partner had bid that suit or by inference from the bidding must be having length and strength in the suit.) Perhaps the contract was 6NT and this suit might be the only lead to defeat the contract by establishing a quick trick( hoping partner to have the Queen) with one having the Ace of opponents long suit.
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Posted 2020-February-25, 16:33

View Postmsjennifer, on 2020-February-25, 10:32, said:

Sir, the OP must have had that ""extraordinary reason" to pose the question.


I am always puzzled when people assume that there must be an extraordinary reason to pose a simple question.
Sometimes people just don't know the ordinary answer, or are wise enough to realise there may be more to it than they think, or foolish enough to suspect that conventional wisdom may be wrong :)
An accurate choice of the Beginner/Intermediate/Expert forums helps, of course.
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Posted 2020-February-26, 17:39

View Postmaris oren, on 2020-February-24, 04:35, said:

what card do you lead if you have K xxx in a suit?

laq quatrième meilleure !
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