[helene_t]

I think South is just a tad too weak to do anything other than 3NT over NT.

North has to do something to show the extra values. I think 3NT instead of 2NT shows enough extras that South can then bid 4NT or even 6NT. Alternatively, bid 2NT and then 4NT next time. South will kick it in then.

[ahydra]

 wank, on 2018-July-18, 21:05, said:

UK bidding teaching and perforce knowledge is terrible. I think it's a grossly overrated convention, but in Croatia, where I live, more than half of the room at the bridge club plays gazilli.

It's a good job you haven't been to NZ then . Nobody here knows how to bid anything close to "expert standard", it's embarrassing.

ahydra

[GrahamJson]

For me this is an example of “don’t bid bad suits in good hands”. North should rebid 1NT or even 2NT rather than 1S, then it should be easy to reach six.

[Cyberyeti]

 GrahamJson, on 2018-July-19, 05:49, said:

For me this is an example of “don’t bid bad suits in good hands”. North should rebid 1NT or even 2NT rather than 1S, then it should be easy to reach six.

I thought this, but wasn't sure if it was a suitable topic for N/B to suggest showing 5422 as balanced.

Also interesting although not N/B, we play Crowhurst over 1N (we can't bid 2N, but 1N is wide range and comfortably includes this), so do you show the hand as 35 or 44 in the pointies when asked ?

[pescetom]

 Winstonm, on 2018-July-18, 15:26, said:

I know this doesn't pertain to the OP, but it does open the question of whether or not opener's 1H or 1S rebid should be forcing or passable. My old friend and partner Bob Holmes used to assure me that expert standard was to play these bids as 1-round forces. That was not my understanding, but I didn't quibble.

Not my understanding either and certainly not something to suggest to novices and beginners; in any natural-based system a 1 level rebid is limiting and passable.

[Cyberyeti]

 pescetom, on 2018-July-19, 06:09, said:

Not my understanding either and certainly not something to suggest to novices and beginners; in any natural-based system a 1 level rebid is limiting and passable.

AKAIK forcing in Acol, we certainly play it as "forcing unless you didn't really have a response".

[Caitlynne]

Playing a natural approach forcing system where my 1NT opening shows a 12 to 14 HCP balanced hand, I would bid differently and easily reach the slam:

North
98xx
Ax
AKxxx
AQ

South
AQ
KQxx
QTx
KJxx

N - S
1D - 1H
1S - 2C
2D
In order to not miss a potentially good trump suit fit, it is important to confirm possession of a (reasonable quality) 5 card suit when 3 or 4 cards might be held
- - 3D
3H - 3N
4N - 6N

[nekthen]

1♦ 1♥
1N 4N
6N

Bridge is a simple game!

If partner has a spade suit he can always use checkback

[gordontd]

 Cyberyeti, on 2018-July-19, 06:52, said:

AKAIK forcing in Acol, we certainly play it as "forcing unless you didn't really have a response".

AFAIK not forcing in Acol. If you want to force, rebid 2S. That doesn't mean responder is expected to pass, just that they are allowed to with an unsuitable hand eg 3514 6-count.

[msjennifer]

If declarer be North a 6NT can go down on a spade lead if the Q loses to King and diamonds are 4/1 .Our bidding goes as under1D-2NT (16 or more balanced hand)3S-4C4H-4NT5C-5H5NT-6NT

[Cyberyeti]

 Winstonm, on 2018-July-18, 15:23, said:

I don't play Acol, so I don't know what 2N and 3N should show in these sequences. Even then, someone somewhere in this auction needs to show extra strength, and I like Felicity's approach of simply bidding 2D in an already game-forcing auction.

It's not really an Acol question, we don't even play 4SF as GF at the 2 level, so you're beyond standard Acol

[kuhchung]

1N 6N

[Tramticket]

 Cyberyeti, on 2018-July-19, 06:52, said:

AKAIK forcing in Acol, we certainly play it as "forcing unless you didn't really have a response".

Not forcing in standard Acol. But I'm agreeing with Cyberyeti, we never pass a new suit at theone level - unless we really didn't have a bid last time.

[HardVector]

This has nothing to do with ACOL, but everything to do with 4th suit forcing. Once you've forced to game, what do continuations mean? I agree with Felicity that 2d would have been superior, but if you really feel the need to bid NT (holding AQ I can understand it), what do 2n and 3n mean? I normally play that in a game forcing situation, 2n shows either 12-14 or 18-20 (bad 20) with 3n showing 15-17. If you feel the hand was worth 17, then you should have bid 3n. If you feel it's better than than, you must bid 4n over 3n to show the extra values.

[helene_t]

 ahydra, on 2018-July-19, 05:24, said:

It's a good job you haven't been to NZ then . Nobody here knows how to bid anything close to "expert standard", it's embarrassing.

ahydra

Lol yes, when I moved to NZ I had expected to be exposed to very advanced bidding, given the number of crazy system that have been invented here. But I don't think I have ever seen anything more advanced than Jacoby transfers at any of the local clubs here.

[rmnka447]

I would recommend rebidding 1 NT to show the 15-17 hand. You might risk missing an occasional 2 ♠ contract, but that'll be offset by partner coming to life with a good 8+. This semi-balanced 5-4-2-2 hand is OK to treat as balanced as the bulk of your points are in the doubletons.

[pescetom]

 helene_t, on 2018-July-19, 17:06, said:

Lol yes, when I moved to NZ I had expected to be exposed to very advanced bidding, given the number of crazy system that have been invented here. But I don't think I have ever seen anything more advanced than Jacoby transfers at any of the local clubs here.

I hope that Symmetric Relay does not qualify as crazy, otherwise I beg to differ