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Pard and I play maximal doubles and are generally content with the standardish rules for when they apply (only when both sides have a fit and our opportunity to make any game try in a major has been taken away because the opps are bidding in the suit immediately below ours).
This auction came up today:
1D (P) 1H (2C)
X* (3C) to you
* support double
We have a major suit fit, although it may be only 7 cards. 3D sounds more like competing in diamonds than like a game try, so our space for any heart game try has effectively been removed. Should double be maximal here? More valuable to have it just card-showing, most likely with only 4 hearts and no good diamond fit?
Thoughts!
Thanks,
RR9000
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Posted 2018-May-08, 18:38
Hi RR, welcome to the forum!
I think you have to double with random 11+ hands that can't do anything else, like like 4423 without a club stopper. So I don't think the double can promise five hearts, or diamond support for that matter. Also, we are still looking for a spades fit in this auction. Which is the reason why I don't like support doubles in this particular auction. But I digress.
With five hearts you just have to chose between pass, 3♥ and 4♥ I think. An invitational hand with diamonds will just have to chose between 3♦ and 4♦. If I double I would expect opener to bid 3♠ with four of them, which is why I wouldn't double with an invitational hand with five hearts and less than four spades.
I think you have to double with random 11+ hands that can't do anything else, like like 4423 without a club stopper. So I don't think the double can promise five hearts, or diamond support for that matter. Also, we are still looking for a spades fit in this auction. Which is the reason why I don't like support doubles in this particular auction. But I digress.
With five hearts you just have to chose between pass, 3♥ and 4♥ I think. An invitational hand with diamonds will just have to chose between 3♦ and 4♦. If I double I would expect opener to bid 3♠ with four of them, which is why I wouldn't double with an invitational hand with five hearts and less than four spades.
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Posted 2018-May-12, 11:23
We play our maximal doubles very differently.
They happen after responder has limited their hand ie. 1x- 1y - 2x or 1nt which are typically wide ranging bids up to a 10 count. 1 more bid by them back to me and my double shows top of my range with values that will play on offence or defense.
No idea if it's better or not but it's more frequent and support doubles are so wide ranging I refuse to play them.
They happen after responder has limited their hand ie. 1x- 1y - 2x or 1nt which are typically wide ranging bids up to a 10 count. 1 more bid by them back to me and my double shows top of my range with values that will play on offence or defense.
No idea if it's better or not but it's more frequent and support doubles are so wide ranging I refuse to play them.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 06:38
ggwhiz, on 2018-May-12, 11:23, said:
We play our maximal doubles very differently.
They happen after responder has limited their hand ie. 1x- 1y - 2x or 1nt which are typically wide ranging bids up to a 10 count. 1 more bid by them back to me and my double shows top of my range with values that will play on offence or defense.
No idea if it's better or not but it's more frequent and support doubles are so wide ranging I refuse to play them.
They happen after responder has limited their hand ie. 1x- 1y - 2x or 1nt which are typically wide ranging bids up to a 10 count. 1 more bid by them back to me and my double shows top of my range with values that will play on offence or defense.
No idea if it's better or not but it's more frequent and support doubles are so wide ranging I refuse to play them.
you're talking about totally different things.
he's talking about game try doubles, e.g. 1h - (2d) - 2h - (3d) - x
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