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Posted 2018-April-25, 08:59

How to bid

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Posted 2018-April-25, 09:04

However you bid it, you're probably going to end up in an unmakeable game.

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Posted 2018-April-25, 09:31

View Postbarmar, on 2018-April-25, 09:04, said:

However you bid it, you're probably going to end up in an unmakeable game.

The only contract is 4 h. But how to bid it.
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Posted 2018-April-25, 09:48

View Postcencio, on 2018-April-25, 09:31, said:

The only contract is 4 h. But how to bid it.

Really? Don't you lose 2 spades, 1 club, and 1 diamond?

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Posted 2018-April-25, 09:52

View Postbarmar, on 2018-April-25, 09:48, said:

Really? Don't you lose 2 spades, 1 club, and 1 diamond?

I have controlled with dds software :)
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Posted 2018-April-25, 10:18

View Postcencio, on 2018-April-25, 08:59, said:

How to bid




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Posted 2018-April-25, 13:40

View Postcencio, on 2018-April-25, 08:59, said:

How to bid

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Open 1c, end up in 3nt down 1. Go on to next hand. Normal result. Any pair that did not reach 3nt and got an undeserved top needs bidding lessons.
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Posted 2018-April-25, 13:59

Why do N/S need bidding lessons if they avoid 3nt with xx opposite Qx? If South opens a weak NT, then yes, 3nt is normal. But if south opens 1c, to me it seems 3nt can be avoided, if people avoid treating Qx as a full stopper opposite a partner who has denied 4 and also denies K or ace there. 1c-2c (inverted, forcing)-??, N/S show red stoppers with a problem in spades, if you get to 4H or 4c to me you deserve a better score than people who bid 3nt, I don't see why it's undeserved.
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Posted 2018-April-25, 15:40

View PostStephen Tu, on 2018-April-25, 13:59, said:

Why do N/S need bidding lessons if they avoid 3nt with xx opposite Qx? If South opens a weak NT, then yes, 3nt is normal. But if south opens 1c, to me it seems 3nt can be avoided, if people avoid treating Qx as a full stopper opposite a partner who has denied 4 and also denies K or ace there. 1c-2c (inverted, forcing)-??, N/S show red stoppers with a problem in spades, if you get to 4H or 4c to me you deserve a better score than people who bid 3nt, I don't see why it's undeserved.


Yup, we play a weak NT and wouldn't avoid 3N on this hand, but would if either hand was a bit better. Adapting our system to strong NT we'd bid:

1-2(F1 not GF inverted)-2(nat, not very good)-3(nat GF)-3(4SF)-4(pick 4/5)-P(partner prob has 2 low spades in a 2344 so 4 looks fair)
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