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#21 User is offline   GrahamJson 

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Posted 2015-June-03, 07:37

I think that 3H should treated as angling for 3NT, so it's a choice between pass and 4H. I think I would risk 4H, but it's close.
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Posted 2015-June-03, 09:07

I think that PASS is the best action at matchpoints.

We will miss 4♥ if partner has the somewhat unlikely combination of at least 2♥ and at most one ♣ but partner is more likely to have at most one ♥ and at least 2♣.

5♦ (or 3NT) would require even less likely holdings.
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Posted 2015-June-03, 12:32

 ArtK78, on 2015-June-03, 07:14, said:

Far be it for me to defend Phil, but he specifically states that "if partner is following the rule of 2 and 3" meaning at this vulnerability the opening 3♦ bid shows 7 playing tricks in diamonds. So, there is something to be said for bidding 5♦, but it assumes that you have no duplication of values. Many hands that will make 11 tricks in diamonds will make 10 tricks in hearts. There are certainly some that produce 11 tricks in diamonds but do not produce 10 tricks in hearts, but I am not going to expend what few brain cells I have left in constructing them. I would guess that all of them have one or no hearts in the diamond bidder's hand.

The rest of his post - about 4th hand having a rock crusher - is pure gibberish given your hand. I suppose one could construct a hand where the opps can make 10 or 11 tricks in a black suit, but it is EXTREMELY unlikely.

"I would guess that all of them(constructed hands) would have one or no hearts in the diamond bidder's hand" Exactly the reason why 3♥
is such a ludicrous bid. Who's to say that the remaining ♥ could be bunched together in an opponents hand? Then the next thing you will
hear is "DOUBLE" (maybe or maybe not in a voice of thunder,impossible in 'silent bidding') After the dust settles,you had better have a good
excuse for a furious partner.
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Posted 2015-June-03, 14:56

4hts next pls
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Posted 2015-June-03, 18:40

 zillahandp, on 2015-June-03, 14:56, said:

4hts next pls

I guess that settles that. Nothing to see here.
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Posted 2015-June-03, 18:41

 ArtK78, on 2015-June-03, 18:40, said:

I guess that settles that. Nothing to see here.


LOL

Wd have upvoted, but it might confuse people :)

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Posted 2015-June-03, 20:02

NEVER EVER JUMP over a pre - that should be a control ask - 3H forcing and 4H over 4D any hand with ak dam has a play daffydic
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Posted 2015-June-04, 04:57

 daffydoc, on 2015-June-03, 20:02, said:

NEVER EVER JUMP over a pre - that should be a control ask

This is an interesting point. But it is not standard. I play that all jump responses to preempts are control asks, so to get to 4 of a major after a 3 of a minor preempt, one has to bid 3 of a major (forcing) first.

I would never assume that a jump to 4 of a major was a control ask without prior agreement with partner.
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Posted 2015-June-05, 02:06

Removed flaming and off topic replies to this thread and moved them over to the Water Cooler here.

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Posted 2015-June-05, 02:16

Now passing can also be masterminding? smh
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Posted 2015-June-05, 07:02

 eagles123, on 2015-June-02, 11:33, said:


Matchpoints
partner is quite agressive but wont have junk at these colours
IMO 3♥ = 10. Pass = 9, 4♥ = 8. 5♦ = 6. Hard choice at Matchpoints,
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Posted 2015-June-05, 09:04

I think the field forces to game on this hand (with or without a 3D opening), so i'm going to stick with them for now and bid 3H.

Passing isn't unreasonable and could easily be the technically best choice (eg. if the last making spot is 3H), but if that is the case we might only be salvaging an average.
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Posted 2015-June-05, 09:28

 WesleyC, on 2015-June-05, 09:04, said:

I think the field forces to game on this hand (with or without a 3D opening), so i'm going to stick with them for now and bid 3H.

Passing isn't unreasonable and could easily be the technically best choice (eg. if the last making spot is 3H), but if that is the case we might only be salvaging an average.


I voted for 3♥. But I agree that passing is also very reasonable at MP.
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