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You are playing a Teams Match and are getting ready to open the bidding when dealer opens 3♠ in front of you. What do you bid?
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Can you bear to pass?
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Posted 2015-May-21, 15:35
You are playing a Teams Match and are getting ready to open the bidding when dealer opens 3♠ in front of you. What do you bid?
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Posted 2015-May-21, 15:43
I will try pass
darn those pesky opponents
darn those pesky opponents
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Posted 2015-May-21, 16:58
Every instink I have is yelling nay screaming do something anything but alas I will punk out and pass and while I may yet overbid I will see what my cho has to say before deciding how to mess this hand up:)
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Posted 2015-May-21, 19:40
dkham, on 2015-May-21, 15:35, said:
4N (Assumed weaker than 4♠) = 10, 4♦ = 9, Double = 8, Pass = 7.
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Posted 2015-May-21, 20:06
strongly prefer 4nt to be a much more pure hand.
keep in mind 4nt may get a 6 level bid not just a game bid.
yes we may miss game.
keep in mind 4nt may get a 6 level bid not just a game bid.
yes we may miss game.
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Posted 2015-May-22, 05:37
Pass, wtp?
The only alternative to Pass is 4NT, and the suits are too weak.
With kind regards
Marlowe
The only alternative to Pass is 4NT, and the suits are too weak.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2015-May-22, 05:38
I don't think this is much of a problem. Pass has to be best long-term; there is no safe way to show minors (I really like the comment about 'pure hand' in a previous post).
I would aver that if one cannot resist bidding on a hand like this, one might be letting the opponents push one around.
I would aver that if one cannot resist bidding on a hand like this, one might be letting the opponents push one around.
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Posted 2015-May-22, 05:43
If ever a hand looked like any action other than pass was ticketed for a four-figure minus score, this is the hand.
I would pass. I hope that partner can act if it is our hand.
I would pass. I hope that partner can act if it is our hand.
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Posted 2015-May-22, 12:05
Hate it but pass. My suits are weakish (god it is a lot of losers), I’m red (so was opener so he shouldnt be too garbage), LHO might just wait for me to move to fire a 4 digit X, and part might push me too high (6m) expecting better. In the meantime, pard can still balance. But if it goes 4s pass pass I’ll still be scr**ed. And enplayed on the lead. Oh well, next board please. Who said that preempts do work?
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Posted 2015-May-23, 00:19
dkham, on 2015-May-21, 15:35, said:
You are playing a Teams Match and are getting ready to open the bidding when dealer opens 3♠ in front of you. What do you bid?
The hairs on the back of my neck tell me to PASS A takeout double would be misleading as you cannot tolerate ♥ Sometimes you have to accept you will be gazumped but it's all in the game. Had the pre-empt been in third seat instead of the dealer,I might have
chanced my arm but with LHO not having yet bid,it's far too risky to take any action.....
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Posted 2015-May-23, 12:32
Pairs pas teams how are we doing if up pass if down 3nt
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Posted 2015-May-23, 13:43
Pass in a voice of thunder.
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Posted 2015-May-23, 22:47
PhilKing, on 2015-May-23, 13:43, said:
Pass in a voice of thunder.
Kinda difficult with 'silent' bidding (!)
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Posted 2015-May-23, 22:53
With stiff SQ Passing is quite bearable.
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Posted 2015-May-23, 23:26
Let's see - to make 5 of a minor, the least I need partner to show up with KQxx in one minor and Kx in the other, as well as A♥ onside.
To make 4 hearts, I need partner to show up with AQ 7th and a king, which partner might balance with (if the king is not in spades, and 3♠ is likely down if it is, so we don't lose quite as much).
Yes it's possible to miss out on a game by passing, but partner would really need the perfect cards.
That being said, there LOLs at my club who wouldn't balance with ♠x ♥AQxx ♦KQxx ♣Kxxx. Opposite one of them I might guess a random 5 of a minor. (They wouldn't understand 4N. Diamonds is a stronger suit, but I can run from clubs if opponents double.) We were already getting a 0 misdefending 3♠. (When they play with each other they average about 35%.)
To make 4 hearts, I need partner to show up with AQ 7th and a king, which partner might balance with (if the king is not in spades, and 3♠ is likely down if it is, so we don't lose quite as much).
Yes it's possible to miss out on a game by passing, but partner would really need the perfect cards.
That being said, there LOLs at my club who wouldn't balance with ♠x ♥AQxx ♦KQxx ♣Kxxx. Opposite one of them I might guess a random 5 of a minor. (They wouldn't understand 4N. Diamonds is a stronger suit, but I can run from clubs if opponents double.) We were already getting a 0 misdefending 3♠. (When they play with each other they average about 35%.)
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Posted 2015-May-25, 00:25
akwoo, on 2015-May-23, 23:26, said:
Let's see - to make 5 of a minor, the least I need partner to show up with KQxx in one minor and Kx in the other, as well as A♥ onside.
To make 4 hearts, I need partner to show up with AQ 7th and a king, which partner might balance with (if the king is not in spades, and 3♠ is likely down if it is, so we don't lose quite as much).
Yes it's possible to miss out on a game by passing, but partner would really need the perfect cards.
That being said, there LOLs at my club who wouldn't balance with ♠x ♥AQxx ♦KQxx ♣Kxxx. Opposite one of them I might guess a random 5 of a minor. (They wouldn't understand 4N. Diamonds is a stronger suit, but I can run from clubs if opponents double.) We were already getting a 0 misdefending 3♠. (When they play with each other they average about 35%.)
To make 4 hearts, I need partner to show up with AQ 7th and a king, which partner might balance with (if the king is not in spades, and 3♠ is likely down if it is, so we don't lose quite as much).
Yes it's possible to miss out on a game by passing, but partner would really need the perfect cards.
That being said, there LOLs at my club who wouldn't balance with ♠x ♥AQxx ♦KQxx ♣Kxxx. Opposite one of them I might guess a random 5 of a minor. (They wouldn't understand 4N. Diamonds is a stronger suit, but I can run from clubs if opponents double.) We were already getting a 0 misdefending 3♠. (When they play with each other they average about 35%.)
Anyone taking action on the above hand is really tempting fate. It's definitely a case of "fools rush in "
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Posted 2015-May-25, 02:42
PhilG007, on 2015-May-23, 22:47, said:
Kinda difficult with 'silent' bidding (!)
What exactly do you mean by "silent bidding"? Bidding boxes or internet or ......?
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Posted 2015-May-25, 03:19
MrAce, on 2015-May-25, 02:42, said:
What exactly do you mean by "silent bidding"? Bidding boxes or internet or ......?
Any method that is non verbal...
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Posted 2015-May-25, 03:36
MrAce, on 2015-May-25, 02:42, said:
What exactly do you mean by "silent bidding"? Bidding boxes or internet or ......?
I think he means Eustacian bidding.
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Posted 2015-May-25, 03:41
Thanks for all the replies. PASS was the overwhelming winner in the poll.
Just for interest, here is the full hand (and auction):
I chose to DOUBLE, which I now agree is pretty poor, although it did have the unexpected benefit of pushing East into bidding a bad 4♠ (saving me from putting down my two Hearts as dummy in 4♥).
Just for interest, here is the full hand (and auction):
I chose to DOUBLE, which I now agree is pretty poor, although it did have the unexpected benefit of pushing East into bidding a bad 4♠ (saving me from putting down my two Hearts as dummy in 4♥).
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You are playing a Teams Match and are getting ready to open the bidding when dealer opens 3♠ in front of you. What do you bid?