[nige1]

 mike777, on 2015-February-27, 11:04, said:

Fair question.
In reading this thread I guess 2 objections from posters stand out about her:
1) She was a huge liar, she was a deceiver on a grand scale
2) She did not set up a modern medical hospital system

Please provide some examples of her lies, mike.

[mike777]

 nige1, on 2015-February-27, 13:22, said:

Please provide some examples of her lies, mike.

I can find no examples where I claimed she lied, please provide some Nigel.
I find numerous examples from posters in this thread which say she lied or was deceitful in wicked ways.


I will repeat my belief from this thread's posts that the anger against MT is based on:

In reading this thread I guess 2 objections from posters stand out about her:
1) She was a huge liar, she was a deceiver on a grand scale
2) She did not set up a modern medical hospital system

[barmar]

 mike777, on 2015-February-27, 10:46, said:

"We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.

Did you really mean to post this in the MT thread? Maybe you intended it for the history thread?

[nige1]

 mike777, on 2015-February-27, 13:43, said:

I can find no examples where I claimed she lied, please provide some Nigel. I find numerous examples from posters in this thread which say she lied or was deceitful in wicked ways.

Good because I haven't yet found examples that would warrant such a claim

 mike777, on 2015-February-27, 13:43, said:

I will repeat my belief from this thread's posts that the anger against MT is based on:

In reading this thread I guess 2 objections from posters stand out about her:)

• She was a huge liar, she was a deceiver on a grand scale
• She did not set up a modern medical hospital system

[barmar]

 nige1, on 2015-February-27, 14:02, said:

Good because I haven't yet found any examples that would warrant such a claim

Aren't there a number of them in the thread? Are you just disagreeing on whether the way people were misled about her activities constitutes a "lie"?

[nige1]

 barmar, on 2015-February-27, 14:05, said:

Aren't there a number of them in the thread? Are you just disagreeing on whether the way people were misled about her activities constitutes a "lie"?

It would be amazing if everything Mother Teresa said was true but is there evidence that she told deliberate untruths with intent to deceive for her own gain?

[Winstonm]

The bottom line for MT's activities was not altruism but a method of gaining converts, and that is my quibble.

[y66]

OP, please define "good person" relative to, say, Christopher Hitchens or Catherine the Great both of whom, in my book, were more good than bad relative to the average journalist and enlightened despot. AFAIK, Mother Teresa did not endorse the Iraq War or f**k any horses. Clearly, in these ways, she was not as culpable as others.

[barmar]

 y66, on 2015-February-27, 16:17, said:

AFAIK, Mother Teresa did not endorse the Iraq War or f**k any horses. Clearly, in these ways, she was not as culpable as others.

That's a pretty low bar. Should I be a candidate for sainthood, too?

[mike777]

 barmar, on 2015-February-28, 15:58, said:

That's a pretty low bar. Should I be a candidate for sainthood, too?

perhaps, it is never too late to start....

I don't think going to MIT stops you from being a saint.

[y66]

 barmar, on 2015-February-28, 15:58, said:

That's a pretty low bar. Should I be a candidate for sainthood, too?

MT good or bad? / MT for sainthood? / ditto for barmar?

Good relative to CH and CTG / who cares / not yet

[MrAce]

 y66, on 2015-February-28, 21:54, said:

MT good or bad? / MT for sainthood? / ditto for barmar?

Good relative to CH and CTG / who cares / not yet

Translation please?

[helene_t]

 MrAce, on 2015-March-01, 14:59, said:

Translation please?

Anne Teresa iyi ya da kötü? / Azizlik Anne Teresa? / Barmar için aynen?

Henüz / umurunda CH ve Büyük Catherine / İyi akraba

[Vampyr]

 nige1, on 2015-February-27, 14:19, said:

It would be amazing if everything Mother Teresa said was true but is there evidence that she told deliberate untruths with intent to deceive for her own gain?

Yes, a lot.

 Winstonm, on 2015-February-27, 14:46, said:

The bottom line for MT's activities was not altruism but a method of gaining converts, and that is my quibble.

I don't really care about that compare to the suffering zoos she set up for herself, and keeping millions that people sent her or humanitarian disasters (thinking that she would know where to send it so it would do the most good).

And of course she hoarded the money that people sent her for her own 'ministries', believing that she was helping the sick and the poor and orphans. And then there were her close relationships with eg Baby Doc and his wife (declaring the latter to be pretty much a saint) and I could go on and on, and repeat the links I have posted, but some people seem to have a blind spot.

When Christopher Hitchens visited her at an orphanage in Calcutta MT told him that the purpose of the orphanage was as a campaign against abortion and contraception.

I do not think, to be honest, that MT ever knowingly did a good thing for another person.

[y66]

 MrAce, on 2015-March-01, 14:59, said:

Translation please?

barmar asserted that refraining from endorsing the Iraq War and from having sex with horses are not sufficient tests of worthiness for sainthood and used himself as an example of someone who has met these criteria but does not think this makes him worthy.

I don't disagree with his assessment. I attempted to point out, in a confusing way, that I was responding to OP's poll asking if Mother Teresa was a good person or not, not whether she was worthy of sainthood. I apologize for the confusion.

[nige1]

http://www.theguardi...-saint-approval

[Cyberyeti]

She did a lot of things both good and bad. Some of the things I view as bad (around contraception mainly), the Catholic church would probably view as good - which is why she's being made a saint.

[Vampyr]

If she ever did anything good, she concealed it very very well.

[gwnn]

Ohhhh so she performed two miracles, not one. That changes everything.

[Winstonm]

 gwnn, on 2015-December-20, 03:31, said:

Ohhhh so she performed two miracles, not one. That changes everything.

That she performed a miracle at all is in itself a miracle - so that's two.