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Posted 2015-May-27, 17:26



its Matchpoints, skill level of opps is unknown

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Posted 2015-May-27, 17:48

Gotta pass at this vulnerability I think.
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Posted 2015-May-27, 18:02

4S
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Posted 2015-May-27, 18:57

 mgoetze, on 2015-May-27, 17:48, said:

Gotta pass at this vulnerability I think.


Dangerous, give partner a pretty nondescript KQxx, x, Axxx, Axxx and 4 and 4 may well both make.

4 for me
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Posted 2015-May-27, 19:43

4 of course.
This is not like bidding a new suit. This is more like, not exactly but still, pd overcalled 1 and you are supporting him with 4 over 4. We are bidding a suit implied by pd after all.
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Posted 2015-May-27, 21:15

Absolutely not 4S. Partner probably has extras and will x and I'll gladly bid 4S then.
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Posted 2015-May-27, 21:19

Phil and Timo play together, so that debate will not progress here between them.

The worry is that partner might think we belong in slam with certain hands if I bid 4S; if that happens, I bet we make slam.
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Posted 2015-May-27, 23:18

 eagles123, on 2015-May-27, 17:26, said:


its Matchpoints, skill level of opps is unknown
IMO 4 = 10, Pass = 9. Assuming that partner is capable of appreciating your predicament.
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Posted 2015-May-27, 23:33

 aguahombre, on 2015-May-27, 21:19, said:

The worry is that partner might think we belong in slam with certain hands if I bid 4S; if that happens, I bet we make slam.


My bigger concern is that pd may dbl 5 and I won't produce any tricks in defense. But this is not what I promised anyway, by bidding 4. Pd knows I am bidding 4 with the knowledge of his initial DBL.


About pd reopening. He has a point but passing is also a very big gamble imo.
All I can predict as a mortal is, opponents are VERY capable of holding 18 vs 6 or 19 vs 5 20 vs 4 or similar hcp distribution between them. And these are all under the presumption of responder having not more than 6 hcp. There are also hands that responder can bid 4 with more 7-8 even 9 hcps. Posted Image

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KQxxxx
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Jxxx

Unless you have specific agreements, or not willing to make jokes to opponents, you will bid 4 with this. But regardless of you like the constructed hand or not, my point is, it is wrong to assume that 4 bidder usually have a trash regarding hcps. He may have hcps that are trash for them and bids 4, while makes my pd very capable of lacking the enough power to double again.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 00:48

4s.If partner gets too excited with appropriate hand, it may be successful as he is covering the stronger hand.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 05:11

Pass,nothing left to say.
Obviously,partner's double have alerted we have 9-catd+ fits respectively at least in and , so we are easy to know opponents have 9-card+ decent fits at least in and respectively.
For this hand,south player is unable to provide any help in defence.After south player bid 4,obviously following-up bidding should not stop,and partner might overestimate my defensive ablity.Disaster is just around the corner.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 05:13

 Cyberyeti, on 2015-May-27, 18:57, said:

Dangerous, give partner a pretty nondescript KQxx, x, Axxx, Axxx and 4 and 4 may well both make.

That's not nondescript, it's a miracle hand.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 06:54

 mgoetze, on 2015-May-28, 05:13, said:

That's not nondescript, it's a miracle hand.


It's a 4144 13 count which is about what you assume for a ToX of 1 (the 4243/4234 versions you still want to bid).

Less perfect examples will probably mean that one makes but not the other, but unless partner has something horrible like Kxxx, xx, Axx, KQxx and you can beat 4, or you go for 500/800 (they haven't doubled yet) you still prob want to bid.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 07:09

If the megaquiz taught us anything, it was to bid over 4 with good shape and let nature take its course.

Partner won't hang us.

The danger of passing is that partner needs quite a lot to make a second double.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 07:16

4 for me. With five trumps and two stiffs, I am not haggling over high card points. Who says we can't make, or that they will even double? Or maybe they will bid 5.
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Posted 2015-May-28, 12:25

If the megaquiz taught me anything, it's that I'm constitutionally incapable of passing on this sort of hand, for better or worse.
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Posted 2015-May-29, 11:36

4S is auto.
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Posted 2015-May-29, 14:56

PASS

I see many like 4s I wonder which Jack made the difference? 65 come alive needs some restraint. We did well when we passed on our first try yet now suddenly we are acting like we are near the top of pour passed hand status. We have NO CLUE why rho bid 4h and we have NO CLUE how strong either of our opps are. If p cannot act again it is hugely unlikely we can make anything. I have some feelings for 4s bidders though--not becasue I expect them to make anything unless p has significant extras- but because there is a fair chance the opps might save in 5h un;ess they x of course:)

Is there any chance we can let poor partner look at their hand and see if further action is warranted?
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Posted 2015-May-31, 09:17

I would have thought 4 is clear. Partner will be able to fill our diamond suit out a bit, and will have at least 3 cards, so I can't imagine too many losers there. Similarly partner should cover trumps a bit. AQxx x Kxx KJxxx is a hand with misfitting clubs, no heart void, no solid trumps and I would still guess that game makes enough to be worth bidding it it (K onside, A on side, and diamonds 2-2 or Axx onside failing to find the ruff).
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Posted 2015-May-31, 13:01

4s. i would check my partner's pulse if he passed here. partner can't rescue us all the time, especially because he'll often have a doubleton heart.
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