[dickiegera]

What should West have to compete?
What would double mean?

West was 3-2-5-3 with AK of clubs and QJ of diamnods

2 diamonds is mini roman, 4-4-4-1 or 5-4-4-0 with 4 spades 10-12 pts

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[Zelandakh]

For sure it is not standard but would it not work for X, 3♦ and 3♥ to be P/C here?

[PhilKing]

Double for sure - definitely means pass with clubs and pull without.

You can't really play a gadget like this without discussing basic first-round follow-ups.

[fromageGB]

This needs discussion. Double could show some clubs, penalty if opener has clubs, with a 5+ side suit to play in if opener does not have clubs and so bids diamonds. Equally it could be pure takeout, for opener to bid regardless of whether he has clubs, ie responder has club shortage. Pure penalty, for opener to pass always, is not likely.

I like Zel's suggestion (choice 1 of the 3 above meanings of X), and West's given hand is a good double on this basis.

[aguahombre]

Yes, the Double...(pass or correct) doesn't require five of another suit..just four to run to. It also shouldn't matter whether there is a Spade anchor suit or not.

[dickiegera]

aguahombre, on 2014-August-25, 12:01, said:

Yes, the Double...(pass or correct) doesn't require five of another suit..just four to run to. It also shouldn't matter whether there is a Spade anchor suit or not.

GREAT ANSWER.. Perfect for what we do.

[aguahombre]

The corollary to this is that Partner of R2DII Opener, with real penalty of 3C, expects a reopening Double from Opener who holds a Stiff Club. Having a void somewhere has proved really ugly, so we don't have one.

The problems come elsewhere when you use that weak range, and are not necessarily 4X1. A narrow "opening strength" range with always 4X1 seems to work better for us. Happy to pass the ten-counts with this awkward pattern.

[kenrexford]

Handling Interference

In the event of interference, Responder has several options. After a double, all bids have the same meaning, except that a pass indicates a club suit, whereas a redouble indicates an intention to penalize the opponents.

After a suit bid, Responder may double for penalties. The first two cheapest suit bids, instead, is constructive and indicates the cheaper of two potential fits. Opener should raise with support and a maximum or correct with no support to the next higher suit.

2NT in competition is natural and invitational to 3NT. A cuebid is forcing and asks for a stopper for 3NT.

Opener may reopen the bidding with the next suit up if short in the opponent's suit or may double for penalties when strong and holding the opponent's suit.

[aguahombre]

will try again

[aguahombre]

kenrexford, on 2014-August-25, 14:39, said:

Handling Interference

In the event of interference, Responder has several options. After a double, all bids have the same meaning, except that a pass indicates a club suit, whereas a redouble indicates an intention to penalize the opponents.

After a suit bid, Responder may double for penalties. The first two cheapest suit bids, instead, is constructive and indicates the cheaper of two potential fits. Opener should raise with support and a maximum or correct with no support to the next higher suit.

2NT in competition is natural and invitational to 3NT. A cuebid is forcing and asks for a stopper for 3NT.

Opener may reopen the bidding with the next suit up if short in the opponent's suit or may double for penalties when strong and holding the opponent's suit.

None of that happens to be part of our agreements. But, I am sure it works for others.

2n=same pattern ask as without interference (g.f.)

pass or Double=double or correct

Redouble of X= demand to play in Diamonds even opposite singleton.

new suit at any level= same pass or correct.

[Zelandakh]

How much use do you get out of that XX Agua? It feels like you might get more from Ken's penalty suggestion or from using it as your GF relay (instead of 2NT).

[aguahombre]

Zelandakh, on 2014-August-26, 01:39, said:

How much use do you get out of that XX Agua? It feels like you might get more from Ken's penalty suggestion or from using it as your GF relay (instead of 2NT).

It isn't a matter of frequency. When we have a hand with 6 or seven Diamonds, once in a blue moon, it staves off disaster at a different strain or higher level. If we pass instead, leaving partner to redouble with shortness, the opponents will be able to sit -- it is not likely they could sit an immediate redouble. Their Double itself, even if defined as a balanced Strong NT probably won't allow them to sit 2DXX if the redouble is direct.

Also, Pass of the Direct Double works just fine for penalty suggestions later OR for two places to escape including Diamonds (GF or not). That leaves 2NT for G.F., 2-places to play without Diamonds. On frequency, we will have game ourselves and not penalty of them very seldom after a double.

[whereagles]

Easy 4S. Well, easy to me at least.

Dbl should be penalties. It makes no sense ask pard for a suit when you already know what suits he has

[PhilKing]

whereagles, on 2014-August-27, 06:58, said:

Easy 4S. Well, easy to me at least.

Dbl should be penalties. It makes no sense ask pard for a suit when you already know what suits he has

Do you not wonder why it was not obvious to everyone else before you shone a light on the matter?

I think you should reread the problem.

[whereagles]

ah, I thought the hand was west. Actually, I've had a similar problem when playing a muiderberg 2 variant some years ago.
you can either play dbl as penalties or pass/correct. Perhaps pass/correct is the better choice.