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Bergen Response or Drury when pd opens 3rd seat?

#21 User is offline   blackshoe 

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Posted 2014-January-25, 03:04

The regulation is vague - perhaps deliberately so. The vagueness, though, makes it hard to understand what is and is not illegal. But I think that the way to interpret it is that if you have an agreement in place like "if opener rebids 2M, responder is absolutely barred from bidding on" and then it turns out that opener has a hand like the six pointer described, then opener has violated the prohibition against psychic controls. As this can hardly have been accidental, I would impose severe penalties against it, in additional to whatever rectification the laws and regulations require.

OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised to hear other interpretations.
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Posted 2014-January-25, 10:06

 blackshoe, on 2014-January-25, 03:04, said:

The regulation is vague - perhaps deliberately so. The vagueness, though, makes it hard to understand what is and is not illegal. But I think that the way to interpret it is that if you have an agreement in place like "if opener rebids 2M, responder is absolutely barred from bidding on" and then it turns out that opener has a hand like the six pointer described, then opener has violated the prohibition against psychic controls. As this can hardly have been accidental, I would impose severe penalties against it, in additional to whatever rectification the laws and regulations require.

OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised to hear other interpretations.

We have heard other interpretations ad nauseum, here for intstance.

Another, on Bridgewinners, explored the legalities and differences between psychic controls and controlled psychs.
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Posted 2014-January-26, 10:39

I play both Drury and Bergen over partner's 3rd and 4th seat opening. Also mini-drury. Drury and mini-drury show 3-card support while Bergen shows 4+.

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Posted 2014-January-26, 10:49

 Hanoi5, on 2014-January-26, 10:39, said:

I play both Drury and Bergen over partner's 3rd and 4th seat opening. Also mini-drury. Drury and mini-drury show 3-card support while Bergen shows 4+.

If Drury and your mini-drury both show 3-card support, that sounds like "mini-drury" is specifically designed as a psychic control to allow for Opener's real suit to be trumps. Am I wrong?
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