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[Cyberyeti]

Flippant reply, you could play a weak no trump and bid 1♣-1♥ etc.

I only played one system that would do it.

1N (11-16) - 2♦(4+♥ inv+)
3♠(15-16, 4+♥)-4♥

After the double, I don't think many people play methods that allow you to get responder to bid their suit first although you could play XX as "I have at least one 4 card major and a weak club holding", although I think it would be better to do this in a weak no trump setting where xxx in a suit is more likely.

[awm]

Sam and I play that after stayman is doubled:

Opener can redouble with good clubs.
Else with a stopper he responds normally.
Without a stop (as here) he passes.

After opener's pass, responder can redouble and opener now responds transfer style (so 2d for hearts, 2h for spades, 2s for no major). This will get south on lead in this example.

If responder has a "garbage stayman" type hand he will not redouble after the pass (instead bidding a suit at the two level to start a scramble).

[chasetb]

A majority of the time in a Strong NT, you in fact want West to bid Hearts, since (s)he has more HCP and is more likely to want to avoid any finesses. This is a rare case that you shouldn't worry about. The only system I can even try to get East to do it is via a Strong Club with transfers, and then you have to screw up parts of the system to fit this in.

EDIT - I did not see the X. I don't play anything fancy like Adam does, but that does make it easier to get to the right strain.

[EricK]

Not really an answer to your question, but Terence Reese would probably have pointed out that this is one of the downsides of Stayman on an essentially balanced hand. And that in practical play, blasting 3NT is often the winning move, even where it is theoretically the 2nd best contract.

[PhilG007]

West should bid 2H over the double,which is showing a club suit,
just as though South had passed. East should then bid 4H. No convention
needed(!)

[Carnoustie]

I used to play transfers here: 2♦/2♥=4♥/4♠ and NO stop. Redouble was an offer to play, and pass would show a stop if I had ♥ or ♠. Responder would then redouble to "start" Stayman again, and bidding a major would then show that suit AND a stop. If I bid 2♦ (denying a major suit) a stop was not known, but partner could then ask for it by bidding 3♣.
I think it's also possible to "reverse" the meanings of the bids which might be technically better, but I could never be really bothered to think it all through...

[PhilKing]

As it happens, I bid 2♠ on the West hand with or without the double, showing four hearts and denying four spades. East can then bid 4♦ if he wants opener to play it, or just go to 4♥ (as here) when he wants to play it himself.

This hand is just a spin-off benefit for the method. Bidding 2♠ is merely a necessary consequence for playing invitational transfers (best convention ever BTW), since 2♣ is bid when we have a sign-off in spades.

[barmar]

PhilG007, on 2013-April-29, 04:39, said:

West should bid 2H over the double,which is showing a club suit,
just as though South had passed. East should then bid 4H. No convention
needed(!)

The whole point of the question is how to make East the declarer, to prevent an opening lead through the club king.